From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 26 10:10: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 40C2114DC2 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:09:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (qmail 23221 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1999 18:09:54 -0000 Received: from userag55.uk.uudial.com (HELO marder-1.) (62.188.132.141) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 1999 18:09:54 -0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id SAA00588; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:09:50 GMT (envelope-from mark) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 06:54:59 +0000 From: Mark Ovens To: Thomas Good Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Programmers' editor? Message-ID: <19991126065458.A316@marder-1> References: <19991125192634.B316@marder-1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Nov 25, 1999 at 08:26:02PM -0500, Thomas Good wrote: > On Thu, 25 Nov 1999, Mark Ovens wrote: > > > OK, I'll comment. Since this emacs v. vi thing has reared it's head > > again I used emacs instead of vi all day today (I even renamed vi, and > > symlinked it to emacs to force myself). > > > > After the first couple of hours finding my way around (much use of > > C-h) I got quite productive with it. The biggest difference I had to > > adjust to was the fact that it doesn't have a command mode, any non > > Ctrl-, Meta-, Shift-, Esc- chars you type go into the document, but > > once I got used to that it wasn't so bad. > > Mark - I'm sitting here sipping a pint and scratching my head over > this. I'm wondering aloud why you'd be wanting to lose vi in favour > of emacs. (?) > I'm not trying to lose vi in favour of emacs, I just think it will be good to know both. I can see that Emacs has a lot of useful features; running compilers & debuggers directly from the editor for example, and much better handling of multiple files. > First off, vi works well and most of us who use it, for whatever reason, > have significant chunks of time invested in getting the console to > stop beeping at us! > > Secondly, I once heard a very convincing argument for learning and using > vi. If you get hired to work on a unix box, no matter what the > implementation, it will have vi. Not so emacs, at least not immediately. > I will continue to use both. > I'm so used to vi I was so used to Windows (and OS/2) once over but I still started using FreeBSD. Guess I like having lots of strings to my bow :) > (not claiming proficiency tho) that I make it the default > editor for email on the servers on my network. Got tired of PICO complaining > everytime I tried to go to command mode...or execute various commands > when I've forgotten where I was. ;-) > > > PERL has been described as "the duct tape of the Internet" > > and "the Unix Swiss Army chainsaw" > > Yes - quite true. For those of us who are incurable shell scripters, as > opposed to programmers, perl has the look and feel of C but we can still > manage to get something done! > > BTW, I once thought about complaining to Larry Wall that Perl doesn't > have an application development environment (except for the windows > incarnation). Then it ocurred to me - it does. vi. ;-) > > Cheers, > Tom Good > > ------- North Richmond Community Mental Health Center ------- > > Thomas Good MIS Coordinator > Vital Signs: tomg@ { admin | q8 } .nrnet.org > Phone: 718-354-5528 > Fax: 718-354-5056 > > /* Member: Computer Professionals For Social Responsibility */ > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- PERL has been described as "the duct tape of the Internet" and "the Unix Swiss Army chainsaw" - Computer Shopper 12/99 ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message