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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i8sm7308756qtj.16.2021.03.21.09.06.50 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 09:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (zeus.seibercom.net [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3MvZ2yJZz20d6 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:06:33 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321120633.00004136@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/+p+C0k=j/GA0jgdi3xdJskN"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3Mvd23z3z3KbG X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=WdsRwP4Q; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::835 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.40 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::835:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::835:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::835:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:06:54 -0000 --Sig_/+p+C0k=j/GA0jgdi3xdJskN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:47:11 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: >On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 11:34 AM Jerry wrote: > >> What really infuriates me is that FreeBSD will not at least post a >> warning on their site of the problem. Something like this: >> >> FreeBSD had been notified that the following systems are not >> compatible with versions >=3D 12.x [List of units not compatible]. We >> have no idea what the problem is and we are not going to invest in >> the time to figure it out, and if it is our problem, correct it. >> =20 > >Why should they?!?!? > >The reasons for "why should they" are: >1. There is an almost infinite number of combinations of hardware that >one can find out there and most of them are like the person you are >replying to edge cases that effect very few people (as witnessed by >you can't find anyone with a close enough system that is willing to >actually do the work to test any fixes on... so this leaves two >options: a) you stop complaining and help actually fix the bug, b) you >switch OS's.... either way stop publically whining about stuff you >refuse to help with in an way and if you switch OS's this is the wrong >forum to do it in -- in short STFU) > >2. They *DO* list hardware that is *KNOWN* to be 100% compatible and >working with the base system if you are not using one of the listed >components then you are venturing into unknown territory and any >problems are on you to report and or help fix... if you decide to go >this route then you have no one except yourself to blame when you run >into "some assembly required" situations and likely you are one the >few people that can help fix it... yet you refuse to... again STFU I have no problem with them listing every system they know to be 100% companionable. However, logistically, I believe the to be a impractical. I think the possibility of them actually testing every possible controller, et cetera under every conceivable environment to be absurd. All they really need to do is compile a list of known units with incompatibility issues, post them and then keep them updated. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/+p+C0k=j/GA0jgdi3xdJskN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAEBCAAdFiEELeCiu2K+9VmEYYgTgHBP8gv9FXcFAmBXbw8ACgkQgHBP8gv9 FXeqEgwAj7a5AbNbpqO10ect+CldK5kXx9rhjc9qIAOtMMrdvf4Hxowrdd0KCAG7 oqLJaQ1x2KWNwqkwB62vmhp0Q5c+4SXGcPIvSsdxSsTpq71xWavFY67CISBu5vjR luWhu17d93wdiXMM/j58AoNOBNthbUn5EYVU6jzMWcxiY0XUWWXY0K0jnGnNUnKg 5orWa+ulBCMdSboqN2Gjso25eNDmejFhzjLf7dkP1JMoevJk7hkjv+Os4bx76h0H ZcL2lVTugOQ/QkgsZVWjHyIF38mn3Qs3leu2SJgyNXR4XWFTbv/MlxJA6fa3Fpg2 aBCs383Hq+CjreaB316GOqLtEjiab9qijgH9GF/XzS0ZifOW9na6h5BtKV4rFcRf wTKdOlF5dZ+sZfSIXtLViB8hQl48X8vpB+Oww57BpNGr2kauu8ojvWU3Jnl578DB z7QTEVEqUIVww9/cGnlkhv6egwV7OjXUubn2wWVM9aUd6tzuuep4MsSJijEHsq0I mTNqXtas =j8qI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/+p+C0k=j/GA0jgdi3xdJskN--