From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 6 15:13:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B2916A4CE; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B515C43D1D; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:13:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net (dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.250]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i56MDUu0005776; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:13:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i56MDUAC097164; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:13:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i56MDUlb097163; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:13:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:13:30 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Scott Long Message-ID: <20040606221330.GB97091@dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <40C36D31.4010003@freebsd.org> <20040606193510.GA95886@dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net> <40C37F3C.1050602@freebsd.org> <20040606211249.GC96607@dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net> <40C390C4.1000609@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <40C390C4.1000609@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP! KSE needs more attention X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 22:13:31 -0000 On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 03:46:44PM -0600, Scott Long wrote: > > > >As for alpha, we don't even seem to be able to degrade it to tier 2 > >without losing face. kris@ has already stopped package builds for it > >for his own sake. > > It's not that there is face to loose on alpha, it's that every time > I announce that alpha is going to be killed unless issues X, Y, and Z > are fixed, someone comes along and fixes X, part of Y, and promises > to fix Z. I don't read anything I haven't read before. People have made promises before and good intentions notwithstanding, you cannot keep a project hostage this way. Degrade alpha and only promote it after people have actually demonstrated that alpha is tier 1 material after all. > At this point, I'm going to advocate that Alpha be dropped from Tier-1 > status for 5.3 and 5-STABLE and no longer be a blocking item for > releases. Just *do* it. You've been advocating for way too long. -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net