From owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 12 11:17:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2930037B405 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.redstarnetworks.net (www.redstarnetworks.net [216.240.150.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6E643FAF for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:17:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@redstarnetworks.net) Received: (qmail 81464 invoked by uid 85); 12 Aug 2003 18:14:12 -0000 Received: from chris@redstarnetworks.net by colowww.redstarnetworks.net by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (clamscan: 0.54. spamassassin: 2.50. Clear:. Processed in 0.677798 secs); 12 Aug 2003 18:14:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO delllaptop) (208.57.57.9) by mail.redstarnetworks.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 18:14:10 -0000 From: "Chris Odell" To: "'Eric Anderson'" , Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:11:25 -0700 Organization: Red Star Networks, INC Message-ID: <000f01c360fd$2bc3f200$0304a8c0@delllaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3F390945.8060509@centtech.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Subject: Certification - realpath(3) et al X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: chris@redstarnetworks.net List-Id: Security issues [members-only posting] List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:17:22 -0000 I agree... I was just throwing that out there - it was not a researched statistic. But on the same note - There are plenty of carrier hotels that have far more then 1000 machines in service. As a matter of fact over the past year there have been plenty of houses that have made the switch to FreeBSD. Chris Odell -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-security@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-security@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Eric Anderson Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 8:36 AM To: chris@redstarnetworks.net Cc: 'Devon H. O'Dell'; security@freebsd.org Subject: Re: realpath(3) et al Chris Odell wrote: > > Corporations - INTERNET Companies... > > If you look at the big picture, having a O.S. that has been audited > for issues would actually be cost effective for them. Having to patch > a machine that is in service causes downtime. > > Lets see - > > Each machine takes ten (10) minutes of human work to drop into single > user mode and install new binaries/kernels > > The company has one thousand (1000) machines > > That comes to ten thousand (10000) minutes, broken down to hours - > 167 Hours > > The average admin say is making forty five (45) dollars a hour - > over $7000.00 - not including taxes paid by employer. > > So if one hundred fifty companies donated one thousand dollars > (1000) it would save them downtime, payroll, and taxes. > > Just a rough estimate and my 2 cents Unfortunately, you're assuming there are 150 companies with 1000 FreeBSD machines, that have an admin getting paid $90k/yr. I think you'd have better luck raising $50 from 3000 people to achieve that same amount of money, but still I believe it would be very hard. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching? ------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ freebsd-security@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-security To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-security-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"