From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 12 12:00:16 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6324B10656ED for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:00:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from varga.michal@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f227.google.com (mail-fx0-f227.google.com [209.85.220.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C69DF8FC21 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:00:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm27 with SMTP id 27so125901fxm.3 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:00:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=k6QTtHeQcezA0I3CpxWyzGEC2TeE5pJpWTk6YQpT9IA=; b=OSljnu4f7qMY19JkCwDcmLVo07JjHzm4Cnwq27dFoz0D4V5tz/bMdW3Ss0WmKirgZm /zb4D44uAZGrWrvwOHbKKbV1uZdNykzSgGPDis058CXXf/qO5WXb4FuQ5DNLxFS3q0Gr 9cCX+lE7VmmyMiX+Yc1geV9OpMDIdM5/uEXuI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=dlP4m3RBq9VAlLhkHD8hbuNK+rljIqN6ofrCJI4PTA0n2/kULg/5GDF3bfeLyKzKOQ HBJntk/VtZS6dMUfdkim9PnUpOOYnfNpdgtVn8hCPk/nBok9hLrAMb2ONlRAt++VDb7Q 5uFZjoXJQO5zHHA2cjYv3SzMwsPSKmpR1/w44= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.27.79 with SMTP id h15mr10502411fac.23.1263297610097; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:00:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:00:10 +0100 Message-ID: <3f1fd1ea1001120400x58f5f4e6w5a8249dd53e8516@mail.gmail.com> From: Michal Varga To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: rnoland@FreeBSD.org Subject: Nouveau Starts Dropping Non-KMS Support X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:00:16 -0000 Basically, this: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzg3MA ---snip--- Red Hat's Ben Skeggs though has started deleting non-KMS code that is trimming this NVIDIA X.Org driver by thousands of lines of code. While user-space mode-setting will no longer work, kernel mode-setting is the superior solution and is the future. Intel had also recently dropped support for user-space mode-setting. ---snip--- Does anyone (Robert, probably) know, how this will affect FreeBSD in the near and well, eventually distant future? I mean, I guess this one typical linux user's comment from Phoronix discussion probably sums it all, but still, it's hard not to laugh (hysterically): "Well, If portability stands in the way of progress, I say to hell with portability." Well anyway, are we going to lose Nouveau yet before we even properly got it, or are there any plans to workaround this "issue"? I mean, last I heard KMS in FreeBSD is not going to happen for years (if ever), so what other options are still open? m.