From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 1 08:09:26 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B7315993D8 for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 08:09:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 641356AA42 for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 08:09:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.97.73]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue106 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MDgxt-1hVxAM1O7T-00AnLu; Wed, 01 May 2019 10:09:05 +0200 Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 10:09:04 +0200 From: Polytropon To: David Christensen Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.2, X.org, Xfce, and Firefox issues Message-Id: <20190501100904.c1b128d0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <98bef0ef-728a-dcc4-230b-66b454672ee3@holgerdanske.com> References: <122a4e3d-3d5e-e737-e6ee-078a97c711f0@holgerdanske.com> <20190430061427.03001b37.freebsd@edvax.de> <98bef0ef-728a-dcc4-230b-66b454672ee3@holgerdanske.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:YDUp3j6YBBHSZq9ApiUY+Ll1DrjN3aotCfytwThK1LR0c7C4FDW 2RjvhfddWJ7zg4JUUkv1tXorfBMI9Q45iNWgvgNxLHrq5VOOrUJsvqZfSzE5d8VpX8A//gq mUzSgl/KKAWdVN63hHGjQvRp0oeepYiIfkP0XpqNpo97pDNatQRbVbm7O+r4gShDPom0pjt yUQSUzlZRHc4jv11B9gzg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:fofyLs6unvY=:/3RTzcKtpCcBWA8dckq09+ JIYL3sHKIw/2IUbvJY8d8Hfh1tIhB2WtjcUi2/VFjKJ3718Gh0fnFOplEPHjn3qWFD0b96MJX qpKTjuDQ4wl91H6XHCeTh6KYijYPvmd+sQ9BMTXlrcb+AxseVb89t+h2i4Dayxm+2lVIZQUK6 o3nuYjjB9UKtHx3e+BnjCFB+XHn0CgTXKVANeqe0t0NUvZYlQ/Jfok+k4nICRYqp75BdG9zCT 0jOZSfuIiw+IpT2fGM+h4AjTpO6LK7PLEPq2vmSoxb/45JyWHT1n27HPA8DcjmJOWWYGT1303 UzvzniM0vRSe7uz4esonaKodqN/6PDUCRsKJQ1qF1+k9pBsitodiBdAFDEMMyEjJCod2IHxfA KkCAWbundHEGU8qBmvoPV6Frnjp6NjrwA/b7osBR/DngFb6EehU2Dtf0hdmdpRSDYVDb2Yfak K6O/H9nYJ5MfbPrToCozUEoUYhuEPTfRB0vCMCdHKa3krQ8YsDJ21+Ty96sfprs1Om2rB8LgF orPs5mNoW/3LKtLf/Xj8+vVGNlgBAehnO0tP8ZBIokoBzGhrEzYExUkYJkW70DPQjLkEMCF+R fAF+V0ftPjtbUaO0rMkU2XugvPDhdG5gNAUep1ekHaOY8ZHP+ttwbMYHQ2pM8qVbrdoIQOdTM ZMNNu0WWMg1OAUeP4+C+Sy4HHa56uoKiE24EA78/19EFu1kr70cn7ebjXeasnWHZdi2yKOZY2 Upfd9pOkYIZRJxmLL302JiA9t9W02he+KorbeZxCWJ9ly1MEs/EL7XMcEL0= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 641356AA42 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.97 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx00.schlund.de,mx01.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[73.97.195.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.73)[0.733,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.70)[0.697,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.97)[0.969,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[10.17.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[10.17.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.18)[ip: (0.45), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.39), asn: 8560(1.86), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 08:09:27 -0000 On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 22:16:54 -0700, David Christensen wrote: > I installed dbus, added the dbus_enable setting, and rebooted -- it may > have helped somewhat, but I still see a lot of complaints on the console. Those messages seem to be normal. Nearly every Gtk program you run (or should I say: nearly every program ported over from Linux) issues warnings and errors, not only when it is built, also when it is running. Nobody seems to care, and in most cases, the messages are either nonsense or harmless. I have also experimented and removed the sysctl.conf entry as well as DBus from rc.conf, and then restarted Firefox from a terminal. No error messages on program startup, and no loss of functionality so far, and no coredumps. However, there are things like security-related JS errors, for example when I visit YouTube to watch cat videos. :-) > I tried installing hal -- it was already installed at that point. It also has to be enabled using the following rc.conf entry: hald_enable="YES" As you said you're using Xfce, which uses Gtk, it could be possible that certain Gnome-related services make Xfce work better, but that's just a guess. I haven't used Xfce regularly after XFCE 3 (the CDE lookalike). https://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/faq2.html#full-gnome My test (see above) indicates that Firefox seems to work fine with no HAL or DBus running. Even though a DBus instance is started (by Firefox?), killing it doesn't seem to have any impact. > I use a KVM switch with external keyboard, mouse, and monitor, and have > always had problems getting FOSS graphical desktops to work correctly > with the KVM on this ~2007 Dell Inspiron E1505 laptop. Is this some "software-defined" KVM? I never had problems with the ones that have real keys to switch connections, instead of requiring strange keypresses on the keyboard. > Even if I > resolved the Firefox issues, FreeBSD 11.2 amd64 Xfce has severe problems > switching between the internal laptop panel and the external monitor. > Debian 9 amd64 Xfce mostly works OOTB, so I'll save FreeBSD for another, > newer laptop. That is probably an X configuration issue. Restarting X should solve the problem so accomodation to the "new screen characteristics" can be picked up correctly. Additionally, with xrandr things can be tested (and automated). Finally, try updating Firefox; in my experience, most Firefox problems (like crashing tabs I saw once) can be solved by obtaining a newer version of that browser. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...