From owner-freebsd-gnome@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 31 18:30:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E74106564A for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:30:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nanoman@nanoman.ca) Received: from mail.nanoman.ca (mail.nanoman.ca [76.10.173.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D278FC12 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:30:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nanocomputer.nanoman.ca (nanocomputer.nanoman.ca [192.168.1.9]) by mail.nanoman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C2E115ED; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nanocomputer.nanoman.ca (Postfix, from userid 62661) id 329281726F; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:29:55 -0400 From: "A.J. Kehoe IV (Nanoman)" To: Jeremy Messenger Message-ID: <20120831182955.GA38282@nanocomputer.nanoman.ca> References: <20120830182257.GC31703@nanocomputer.nanoman.ca> <20120830214321.GD31703@nanocomputer.nanoman.ca> <20120831032033.GE31703@nanocomputer.nanoman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: Nanoman's Company User-Agent: Mutt (FreeBSD) Cc: gnome@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WANT_GNOME Causes Automatic Dependencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-gnome@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nanoman@nanoman.ca List-Id: GNOME for FreeBSD -- porting and maintaining List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:30:03 -0000 --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeremy Messenger wrote: >On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:20 PM, A.J. Kehoe IV (Nanoman) > wrote: > >> Does anyone maintain a dependencies map for GNOME? > >Not that I know of. Speaking of dependencies... Since the GNOME 2 is >dead already. I think it's good time for us to remove the GNOME 2 >dependencies option in some of ports. For example, editors/vim has >GNOME2 option so remove that part. Sounds good to me! My knowledge of MATE is very limited, so I'm not sure w= hat can be removed outright versus what needs a replacement. Let's conside= r these six consecutive lines from editors/vim/Makefile: 1. '. elif defined(WITH_GNOME2)'. This would have to be converted to OPTI= ONSng, and I'm guessing the idea is to replace "GNOME2" with "MATE". 2. 'USE_GNOME=3D libgnomeui'. I don't know if there's a libgnomeui equival= ent in MATE. 3. 'PKGNAMESUFFIX=3D -gnome2'. This can go. It's my understanding that th= is package naming convention is being phased out. 4. 'MAKE_ARGS+=3D CONF_OPT_GUI=3D"--enable-gui=3Dgnome2" ${I18N}'. Does "g= nome2" get changed to "mate"? I don't use Vim, so I don't know, but it's e= asy enough for me to check. 5. 'MAKE_ARGS+=3D X_LIBS=3D"$(X_LIBS) -lXt"'. I'm guessing that this will = have to stay. 6. 'USE_XORG+=3D xt glproto'. I'm guessing that this will have to stay too. [...] >> I'm not opposed to writing patches that will make the WANT_GNOME ports >> declare their dependencies predictably. There are approximately 183 por= ts >> using WANT_GNOME, so writing these patches is going to take me several d= ays, >> followed by weeks of waiting for maintainer updates. I might be able to= get >> through this faster by asking the maintainers to assist me, but I expect= to >> have to do most on my own. [...] >Who said that you have to do it alone? :-) If you want to do it as >soon as possible. You can gather a team to hunt down those ports then >give a big patch to portmgr to do the test in pointyhat-exp. When >everything is perfect then commit it into ports tree with portmgr's >approval without need to ask each maintainers. You have my support and >approval to mess around with gnome@ ports. Show portmgr about this >email threads. > >If you can wait then I (and maybe kwm) will be able to help you with >it. We have enough stuff on our plates right now by trying to push >GNOME 3 into ports tree after the 9.1 released. I don't mind waiting a bit longer, but I'd like to end 2012 feeling blissfu= lly free of the scourge of automatic dependencies. >FreeBSD GNOME Team only have two active people, kwm and me, that are >maintaining about over 460 ports (plus GNOME 3 and MATE ports that are >yet to commit). We need new blood to join gnome@. Is there a central place for tracking all of the FreeBSD GNOME/MATE project= s and to-do lists? I assumed this would be in the FreeBSD Wiki, but the GN= OME page looks a little outdated, and I don't see a page for MATE. http://wiki.freebsd.org/Gnome I would indeed like to gather a team to weed out WANT_GNOME and the automat= ic dependencies this causes. To do this effectively, I'd need something li= ke the FreeBSD Wiki to track these issues. Included here would be details = of GNOME 3's import, MATE's import, and GNOME 2's decommission, which we wo= uld need to ensure forward compatibility. I don't have write access to the FreeBSD Wiki. Assuming that this is what = we'd use, before I can edit the GNOME/MATE/whatever page, you'll have to gr= ant me this privilege. "AJKehoe" is my username. [...] --=20 A.J. 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