Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 00:44:28 -0700 From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: "Rick Duvall" <maillist@coastsight.com> Cc: "duane jones" <dljones@sccoast.net>, <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: RE: No Subject Message-ID: <008b01c0c8a4$90266140$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0104181035430.60328-100000@ns1.coastsight.com>
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There are 56K terminal servers (Ascend MAX 1800 for example) that don't require T1's to interface, they will use ISDN BRI circuits. In fact, I just bought one of these off Ebay (item #1222362943) for $400. I had to get the digital modem card but that was only $900. The setup works beautifully for providing 56K V.90 and ISDN indial. (Yes, we have Real PRI-based terminal servers, this was for a special deal that required this kind of setup) If he's in a small town out in the sticks, and _he_knows_what_the_hell_he's_doing_ then he can set up a small ISP with a handful of dialup ports that will support 56K and ISDN indial and provide a much valued service to the community - and will NOT cost $4K a month with a $12K startup cost. You also don't need a full blown T1 to feed such a setup, a fractional circuit will do, even 56K point-to-point or Frame Relay is quite satisfactory. He could probably haul a long-distance 56K Frame connection from AT&T for about $400 a month and with a MAX fully configured his BRI costs are guing to probably run him another $400, so you can put down a recurring cost of maybe around $7-900 and by going with BRI's you can add them as you need them, so your egress costs can track your userbase. Assuming 3 year circuit commitals, you can start up a small ISP out in the tulaberries for maybe $3K startup costs if your very careful in your purchasing. With a setup like I described you could easily serve 200 users off a fully deployed MAX and @ $20 a month per head, you could make enough to live off, assuming you own your property and grow your own vegetables. There's quite valid business models for small rural ISP's for people with the stomach to sign a 36 month circuit contract (which obligates you to $14,000 over 3 years, BTW) and the wherewithall to bugger their local Telco to deliver the circuits. This is why I get enraged when I see governmental money thrown away on "delivering Internet to the rural areas" because the rural areas don't need money for this, they can be self-supporting, all they need are experienced people to get in there and do the work. Unfortunately, however, most of the folks out there attempting to start ISP's in their garages are NOT doing any kind of public service, instead they are cheap bastards living in the middle of a major city that figure they can get a DSL line and a few modem lines and with a little work selling $9-a-month dialups they can get their Internet service paid for free. Needless to say these folks don't know thing one about how an ISP operates and expect the collective wisdom of the Net to tell them all the details. If he really wants to start an ISP and doesen't know where to start then there's nothing better than going and getting himself hired by an ISP and working for them for a few years to gain some experience. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Rick Duvall >Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 10:40 AM >Cc: duane jones; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: No Subject > > >Yeah, you need a terminal server for providing for either 56K, ISDN, or >analog 33.6 modem connections, as well as a channelized T1 and/or PRI to >the telco with dialtone on a number of channels. You can get a Terminal >server with a serial port in which you can plug in an external CSU to >interface with a T1 line to your upstream provider. > >What services are you planning on offering? You will have to price out >the T1 to run the IP over, and you will have to price out the T1 for >dialup. That will average you (if you are in a small town) about >$4000/mo, plus the installation charge. The terminal server will cost >around 4-12K$. > >FreeBSD would do radius authentication... If you want REALLY small ISP >with as many modems as you have PCI slots and some analog phone lines, >then that a different issue alltogether. > >On 18 Apr 2001, Bob Greene wrote: > >> On 18 Apr 2001 13:34:58 -0400, duane jones wrote: >> > What i am looking for is,a program that will allow me to provide my own >> > internet service from my home, without having to pay an ISP! >can i do this >> > with FreeBSD >> > Check out our home page at <http://www.rv-camp.com/>; >> > >> > >> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message >> > >> >> How much do you plan on spending to accomplish this? Setting up an ISP >> is not cheap and unless you're a national carrier, you'll still have an >> ISP of your own at some level. >> >> -- >> Bob Greene >> AustinTX.COM >> 512.835.8005 >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message >> > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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