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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 22:24:33 -0500 To: Mark Martinec Cc: "freebsd-net@freebsd.org" , "Wojciech A. Koszek" , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 03:24:39 -0000 --Apple-Mail-DE296154-25EF-470F-8900-A78FBC004AF7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On Feb 13, 2014, at 20:40, Mark Martinec wr= ote: >=20 > 2014-02-11, Mark Martinec wrote: >> Remember the original PHK's story ( http://bikeshed.com/ ) ? >> It ended favourably for the sleep(1) command, it got its new feature. >> What can be learned there is: just needs someone to do it and be >> persistent enough to be accepted. >> Looks like a perfect task for Google Summer of Code 2014, >> time to apply is very near: >> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014 >=20 >=20 > 2014-02-12, Kevin Oberman wrote: >> For those who are new at IPv6, the ping6 and traceroute6 commands come fr= om >> the WIDE KAME project. KAME developed one of the earliest IPv6 stacks and= >> WIDE used FreeBSD. It became the FreeBSD IPv6 stack and the ping6 and >> traceroute6 utilities were brought in with the rest of the KAME code. >> When these tools were written, the IPv6 stack and the supporting librarie= s >> and APIs were very primitive. I suspect that it was quicker to write new >> tools than to try to integrate IPv6 into the existing standard tools and,= >> when things were so rough, there was a clear effort to avoid changes to >> working IPv4 code. Separate IPv4 and IPv6 tools made sense then, but the >> need has long vanished... probably even before the KAME project ended. Bu= t >> the old, separate tools lived on through simple inertia. >> And so it is today. Inertia is NO reason that it should be this way forev= er. >=20 >=20 > I have submitted two entries for FreeBSD Google Summer of Code 2014: >=20 > https://wiki.freebsd.org/SummerOfCode2014 >=20 > (should show up there eventually after a review, I hope), >=20 > one for a unified ping and ping6, the other for a unified traceroute > and traceroute6. My first impression was that it may be possible to do > both in a single 12 week GSoC job, although after checking existing > source code and writing the proposal it now looks to me more like > two full-time summer jobs, if they are to be done properly and with > attention to details. >=20 > Looking for one, or preferably two, mentors for students for these tasks. > I wonder if Bjoern A. Zeeb wouldn't be the best man for the job ;) >=20 Awesome, personally that would seem like the best route not only to have the= focus on the tool itself but to put focus on achieving one or another eithe= r way it's progress. If we were voting I couldn't agree more with Bjoern if he would accept it.. 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