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Date:      Sun, 23 Sep 2001 17:14:58 +0200 (SAST)
From:      The Psychotic Viper <psyv@sec-it.net>
To:        Alan <tigspok1@home.com>
Cc:        <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD crashed
Message-ID:  <20010923165306.H49297-100000@lucifer.fuzion.ath.cx>
In-Reply-To: <20010922074858.NQFA10595.femail33.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there>

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Hi,

Pardon the sarcasm, just beats exploding at this post,
On Sat, 22 Sep 2001, Alan wrote:

> I have been using Win98 SE for over a year now and Windows in general for
> over 20 years, and lunix for over five years.
Windows in general aint that old so hook me up with your dealer, please,
coz thats some very good stuff ur on.  Not to mention your skills of
observation seems a tad warped , after staring at a LINUX terminal for 5
years the least you can do is notice it says LINUX not "lunix".

> I tried your FreeBSD system since my roommate has been using it and
> other *inx type systems for over ten years now.  I have installed your
> system with his help and then tried to reboot and go back into
> Windows.  I did NOT have my Win harddrive pluged in, so windows should
> not have been touch.  I got back into BSD and then he showed me how to
> mount my windows harddrive and cp files from Windows to BSD.
So I assume you had an experienced user helping with your install which is
more than most ppl can say on their first install. Also you mention your
windows drive was not in so correct windows wouldnt have been touched by
the install unless your ESP driver works better than mines in 4.3 (if so
EXCELLENT job on the 4.4 team). Just a reminder...rm is NOT copy nor is
mv, so if you didnt do either just how u managed to lose the files after
you accessed them in FreeBSD amazes me....a lot.:/

>  I then shutdown and unpluged BSD and pluged in Windows and had nothing.  I
> could not get Windows to boot.  I have had to re-due my harddrive and have
> lost all of my information on my harddrive because of this.  Some of these
> files are of legell use and can not afford to be lost.
I am not going to flame this post rather try and figure out what yo (YES
YOU) did wrong, though trust me its difficult to resist the urge to grab
napalm right now. How did u remove the BSD drive and (re-)insert the
windows one? What steps did u take to make sure that the drive was infact
toasted, and between the last working windows boot just exactly what DID u
do? And for someone with the claimed experience you have Id think having
backups of important file would be second nature :/. Its probably too late
to get anything back but hopefully would prevent u putting both feet in
your mouth at the same time in the near/distant future.

> YOUR so called  FreeBSD system is crap.
Dont go blaming others for your mistakes , denial is not really security.
I personally have done VERY strange things to my hard drive partitions
(changing partition flag types by mistake, resizing and undoing the
resizing are a few examples) and have STILL booted my FreeBSD system fine.

> I am very upset at this and intend to notify Microsoft of this just on
> the offset that you or someone in your company has put some kind of
> code or virus on your system to attack a Windows system.
We have a saying in .za "Call MNET..they care". And your a smart
cookie...in one day you found a virus in an OS that I and others have been
using for years.

> This seems to be the only reason to the problem that your system has caused
> me.  I will also be mailing them the same CD iso image that I used for them
> to install and then invetagate.  YOUR system destroyed my Windows!! I will no
> longer be using ANY BSD product.
You have overlooked Error 2000, located between keyboard and chair which
is exactly what I think (certain of actually) what has happened. And go
ahead and do what you think is needed, just like i said earlier give us a
detailed account of what you did so we can determine for ourselves and
tell you what you did wrong. And uhm...no beg to differ, you destroyed
your windows...coz even if it didnt boot there are loads of ways to still
try and retreive your data even if the OS didnt boot.

> Now I understand why so many people are not using anything but
> Windows, they do not destroy your system if you connect the two
> together.
I doubt you truely understand anything in the larger sense of the word,
and wont even go near that last statement about windows destroying things
coz I am avoiding flaming you at all costs, rather post the steps and
we WILL find the problem where ever it may be.

PsyV


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