From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 5 21:39:31 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D97D92A8B for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2017 21:39:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cdptpa-oedge", Issuer "cdptpa-oedge" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F03172082 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2017 21:39:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [65.186.81.207] ([65.186.81.207:51065] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-omsmta02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id FA/F5-20123-19C5D595; Wed, 05 Jul 2017 21:39:29 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1dSs1A-0001Y0-S4 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2017 17:39:28 -0400 Subject: Re: FreeBSD did it again (still) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <27b3c757-1f00-a033-03f6-303a82ab65f2@columbus.rr.com> <3ce31ee2-5e35-d31c-71ca-dc95ece2dd61@intersonic.se> <020431a6-1a7d-d80e-0725-585c21f3ef27@columbus.rr.com> <563b14d5-ebfb-62b6-28ac-3ebbd663d067@intersonic.se> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 17:39:26 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <563b14d5-ebfb-62b6-28ac-3ebbd663d067@intersonic.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.7:25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2017 21:39:31 -0000 On 7/5/2017 5:30 PM, Per olof Ljungmark wrote: > On 2017-07-06 03:21, Baho Utot wrote: >> >> >> On 7/5/2017 4:31 PM, Per olof Ljungmark wrote: >>> On 2017-07-06 01:54, Baho Utot wrote: >>>> Up graded an old laptop from 10.1 to 11.0-p10. I then checked out >>>> the latest quarterly ports. I figured that FreeBSD would barf and >>>> I was not disappointed. Built the ports with synth and then I >>>> installed them, xorg promptly shit itself. >>>> >>>> So I typed pkg autoremove just for shits and giggles. Before the >>>> upgrade pkg autoremove did nothing ( nothing to remove ) the latest >>>> pkg wanted to remove all of Xorg and some other things but not >>>> remove lumina. Figure that one out. >>>> >>>> Working on figuring this out. >>>> >>>> Can you tell me why FreeBSD doesn't need versioned ports again? I >>>> am just looking for something that works, I don't need the last >>>> version of xyz that just came off the press. >>>> >>>> Thinking I may need to leave FreeBSD and find something that is >>>> stable/works. An upgrade from a recent version should not requir >>>> days to weeks to get it to work. >>>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Not sure what you are aiming at here but - just felt I had to comment. >>> You are probably right that there must be cohersion between packages >>> and system when using prebuilt binaries. >>> >>> My way of doing it is the opposite, everything is compiled from >>> source, the classic *nix way. This way, FreeBSD has never let me down. >>> >>> I think the best approach if you have an older system where it takes >>> ages to compile, you really need to follow a strict path using >>> packages. On a more recent system, nothing beats source builds. >>> >>> There has been a lot of discussion over this matter recently, please >>> understand that this is not RedHat or Ubuntu, the resources needed >>> to keep up with building binaries are limited in comparison. If you >>> need prebuilt packages, please just contribute to the work. >>> >>> Just my SEK 0.2 >>> >>> //per >> >> I built the ports from svn source using synth I did not use prebuilt >> binaries. I did do it the classic *nix way. > > That was odd. But if you provide more detailed info I'm sure there is > help on the list. > > I only use portmaster due to its ease of use, have no experience from > synth. > > //per What is ODD is that I have not received my original post that started this thread, from the mailing list. It has not come thru the FreeBSD mailing list. I wanted to have a look at the headers. I checked the timestamps on my client box was/is correct ( running ntp ) my mail server is correct ( running ntp ). I am investigating why the upgrade to the laptop has failed. This happens every time I upgrade if the upgrade cycle is 6 months to a year. I simply don't have the time to go thru this every time I do an upgrade. It should just work ( I know some edge case may not that is not what I am talking about ). One should be able to update a machine ( desktop ) and it should still function. If I am crashing a package or two that is fine, the whole desktop should not go from usable to crashing/puking/barfing.