From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 6 20: 8:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA41014CA4 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:08:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.8) with UUCP id XAA14977 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 23:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA61678 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:38:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199908070238.WAA61678@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: 2 queries] In-Reply-To: from Barrett Richardson at "Aug 6, 1999 8:34:25 pm" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:38:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Barrett Richardson recently said: > >Well, I try to keep things simple. Fact is, a router has less to > >break down than a "Gateway Machine", and the router is designed > >for that specific task. You don't usually have to worry about > >people compromising the router because of software issues, and > >well... it's smaller and more efficient. Just my .02 > > There is a flip side to this. I had a power supply failure in a > cisco early on a Saturday morning. Cisco needed $400 to get one to > me by Monday morning. If it had been a FreeBSD or Linux box, me, a > screwdriver and $30 could have got it back up in an hour. > [replace the router] ... and thus eliminate any single point of > failure be it an ethernet card, cable, hub, router or whatever. > To do the same with cisco equipment would require a pair of > cisco 7xxx series routers with multiple serial and five ethernet > interfaces each -- roughly $120k worth of hardware, You're obviosly not buying right :-). Check the used equipement vendor. We got a 7513 - 1.5 years old new in the box declared surplus by some major company. One HiSSI port, 16 serial ports and 8 ethernet ports - all at about $30,000. That was before we got about $5K on an insurance settlement where a fork lift pranged the box and bent the fan and made seating of one dual power supply a bit problematic. We rebent the metal and change the power supply mount screw and all was well. It all depends on what you need to do whether a hardware router or a OS based system will be best. We run mail, web, dns, etc., on FreeBSD, and we are going to be putting up at least one for outgoing bandwidth limited applications. So we'll have a mixture. The real decision is what you really need and what supports it best, is it not? Bill -- bv@wjv.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message