From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 25 23:57:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67F1837B401 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D7A43F3F for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:57:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from user-2ivfj2b.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.204.75] helo=mindspring.com) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19gIzc-0002eo-00; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:57:24 -0700 Message-ID: <3F22261B.5B650E28@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:56:27 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mooneer Salem References: <000201c352ec$9aa8f770$1300a8c0@D6T8V231> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a43bce394abff13343e3bebf0a4ae65ce0548b785378294e88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org cc: "'Matthew D. Fuller'" Subject: Re: BSD certification. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 06:57:30 -0000 Mooneer Salem wrote: > I guess the only way you can avoid being artificial would be to order > services at the candidate's place of employment (like servers) and > randomly monitor how the box is administered throughout the year. We call that "a resume", where I come from. There's a reason employers tend to like experience more than paper credentials, and will hire a 20 year veteran without even a GED before they hire someone with a BS degree. Everyone's always looking for a shortcut without "paying their dues". Paper credentials will get you a higher starting salary, when you have no experience, all things being equal, but for system administration, experience almost always counts more than the paper credentials. If I could stand doing the work, I'd probably be doing system administration; system administrators often make more than kernel engineers with equivalent years on the job. Life's unfair; what're you going to do about it, though? -- Terry