From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 19 20:27:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7238D16A403 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:27:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB83B43D62 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:27:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9JKQVIf021838; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:26:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id k9JKQ3TK021252; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:26:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:26:03 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Jan Grant Message-ID: <20061019202603.GD11212@thought.org> References: <20061018211258.GA1350@thought.org> <20061018215708.GB93083@gothmog.pc> <20061019001443.GC3342@thought.org> <20061019124436.X42237@tribble.ilrt.bris.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061019124436.X42237@tribble.ilrt.bris.ac.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: Observing twenty years of service to the Unix community Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , Gary Kline , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tao.thought.org is back..... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:27:24 -0000 On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 12:54:02PM +0100, Jan Grant wrote: > On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Gary Kline wrote: > > I would have suggested the DNS approach except that when I looked, > tao.thought.org didn't exist in your DNS (as an A record) and since ns1 > looked like a dialup account, I assumed you're using NAT. thought.org has a slow IDSL link to my ISP, not a dialup. I read, then bot DNS AND BIND; here is what has worked since an early bind9. ; Machines for the thought.org domain ; ;name class type IP ; localhost IN A 127.0.0.1 ; ; Next I list my main host, which is my domain ; and mail, and web servers. ; ns1.thought.org. IN A 216.231.43.140 sage.thought.org. IN A 216.231.43.140 > > Your mailertable entry on ns1 should probably just read > > thought.org relay:tao.thought.org > or maybe > thought.org smtp:tao.thought.org Which is better? and why? Or are they equiv? > > and tao.thought.org should have "thought.org" in it's w class: that is, > sendmail.cw or local-whatever-the-file-is-called. I did have a "local-host-names", but then simply dropped the "w" Class into sendmail.cf. I do have "Cw thought.org" in the config file. I only have 4 or 5 Unix servers, (4 right now since one finally died:), so I simplified. Besides, I wasn't sure if the "local-host-names" required just the short hostname or the FQDN. > > You might need "makemap" to recreate the database from your plain file. Yes. > > I suspect that you have an alias set up on ns1 that you're fiddling > with. In order to get it to stick, you probably need to run > "newaliases". Since that's run on reboot if required, that'd explain > your reboot-to-reconfigure behaviour. I did have a commented-out kline -> kline@tao.thought.org" in /etc/mail/aliases. I uncommented it yesterday, 18oct, I *did* run newaliases; when things STILL seemed to be misbehaving, I said something like "Bleep it!" and rebooted. # ## uncommented : 18oct06. # kline: kline@tao.thought.org So I'm really not sure WHAT got mail to kline@thought.org going back to my original home machine, tao. > > Cheers, > jan > > PS. If sendmail config is such an arcane art (and it is, unless you do > it regularly) you might find there's mileage in installing an > alternative MTA. Well, "ethos" is Ubuntu and comes with postfix. Seems seriously better; but since mail is so utterly critical, I'm not touching anything until some wise mail guru is right here, holding my hand and sharing a jug of Jack Daniels!! gary > > -- > jan grant, ISYS, University of Bristol. http://www.bris.ac.uk/ > Tel +44 (0)117 3317661 http://ioctl.org/jan/ > Goth isn't dead, it's just lying very still and sucking its cheeks in. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix