From nobody Fri Dec 2 06:20:52 2022 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4NNjWH3pGvz4jQjW for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2022 06:21:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4f600056e211b.ead4857de0cd0d44cb6a22fa2913e865@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4NNjWH3L1Cz3NmG for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2022 06:21:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4f600056e211b.ead4857de0cd0d44cb6a22fa2913e865@email-od.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1669962075; x=1672554075; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=7xYx0hySE7v8OqUlB5LybzH3jdrlcBtpzLaMO6H5wTE=; b=gW5DLG9tOuEHzYlxXNf94HH1X5otiKKDkBRKBpg2MwW9m1M2EVsggiRJQHi6swjWV/V4AYTiYdkYQnCaLy7VwHwZYg6alf6x8JRXNXDDhbk8r7DLtz9HMz5GME3LA73t9KxivgrrQG76XeUQzHhOP/rPKFeKjXMV40bMUtZPH+8= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRmNjAwMDU2ZTIxMWIucXVlc3Rpb25zPWZyZWVic2Qub3Jn Received: from r2.h.in.socketlabs.com (r2.h.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.180.12]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 2 Dec 2022 01:21:07 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r2.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 2 Dec 2022 01:20:54 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94.2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1p0zPo-000Dn6-S9; Fri, 02 Dec 2022 06:20:52 +0000 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2022 06:20:52 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: paul beard Cc: Graham Perrin , Sergio Carlavilla , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what am I missing RE: freebsd-update? Message-Id: <20221202062052.9dfa1ef99a8f78aee029a8e2@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4NNjWH3L1Cz3NmG X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 16:44:37 -0800 paul beard wrote: > Thank you for all the info…it seems nothing is wrong, but what prompted > this was a message about this release nearing EOL or end of support. Not > sure where I saw it now, perhaps at login but I don't see it now. The file with the EOL dates in got updated as part of the update. The dates are a guess that gets refined as the release process of the next release progresses. It doesn't work too well it always alarms people early. > So freebsd-version -kru > 12.3-RELEASE-p6 > 12.3-RELEASE-p6 > 12.3-RELEASE-p10 > > means that my installed and running kernel are the same and my userland is > a few patches ahead but they should sync up at some point? Not quite - what it really means is that p7, p8, p9 and p10 did not contain any kernel updates and so the kernel version didn't get bumped in them. So if there are no more kernel updates before EOL they'll never "sync up". This has historical reasons - once upon a time the kernel version was the version and all updates were source builds but with binary patch updates it seems crazy to update the kernel just to change a number so we get the concept of userland version and the original version becomes the kernel version. There's a practical advantage to it, scripted updates can check for a changed kernel version and decide whether to reboot or just restart services. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith