From owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 25 08:28:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91ED416A436 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 08:28:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yann@raven.kierun.org) Received: from raven.kierun.org (raven.yorksj.ac.uk [193.61.234.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181D843D5A for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 08:28:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from yann@raven.kierun.org) Received: from yann by raven.kierun.org with local (Exim 4.62 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1FjBCf-000ODH-6Q; Thu, 25 May 2006 09:28:21 +0100 Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:28:21 +0100 From: Yann Golanski To: Garance A Drosihn Message-ID: <20060525082821.GA93011@kierun.org> References: <20060523120100.37D2B16A54F@hub.freebsd.org> <20060523083944.H96736@eboyr.pbz> <20060523160051.GA78620@kierun.org> <44741A43.40302@kernel32.de> <20060524144537.46463a90@hydrocodone.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: "Yann Golanski, University of York, +44(0)1904-433088" Cc: freebsd-security@freebsd.org, Allen Subject: Re: FreeBSD Security Survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:28:27 -0000 --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Garance A Drosihn on Wed, May 24, 2006 at 15:40:23 -0400 > >> The answer is: build host + jails for a testing environment... > >> This'll reduce your actual downtime. > >Did you just tell him to get another computer for each arch > >to have as a build machine??? > > > >Being a broke college student I don't think that's something > >I'd ever do to install updates on my boxes. I can't afford > >another computer just to build updates when every other OS > >I use does updates in another way.... >=20 > If you are a college student with a few machines that > you work with, then you can afford some downtime. Why? Just because I am from a mathematics department with no money for hardware at all does not mean that our VLE does not have to run all the time. =20 So, same question with three machines: home, office and off shore server. How do I keep them all up to date without having to run the patches three times?...=20 BTW, I consider pre-compiled packages to good (easy to install, etc...)=20 and bad (no fine tuning, etc...) while compile are good for exactly the opposite reasons. Not sure which is best. --=20 yann@kierun.org -=3D*=3D- www.kierun.= org PGP: 009D 7287 C4A7 FD4F 1680 06E4 F751 7006 9DE2 6318 --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEdWql91FwBp3iYxgRAt6EAJ9o9/ErS8prfkTlRbZigXggNyPjSwCcDdDv Kb1x/5LIy6qCpH0SPRlduS4= =K8JC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0--