From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 10 14:51:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F35814CE for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 14:51:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brewer.doug@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E9B8FC12 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 14:51:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id wz17so1887466pbc.13 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 06:51:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=N7Nnktt1LvvhA1aiNWFJjLDt3BQSLaj74laQlL995zM=; b=NjxHDtnZvaMfaHbNOLsBVWsxYTxey7KQWDDnmDgNc/Z2KMpMVPb2VZC9g9HqQ9+OO8 C6w0MGnnOHVnLbKAOh2zKdP9UY7JtMJXm7ryVxXzRHC442/t3w/+UsEbxpRZoQQ3EaFG ekU42mdLHf5HM7VPrh3oyMk2T7D/mqYQyoDciL+QRc8GZ6zMI6nWzq/LjEAXllCjA5wj wU5qVAFO+tNkKYNFHs1CC6ie4jaFO1D3VPMNUx7Kvnshx27SUMOSr3/Bh+8fc88MXkj1 +j4KAIuUApE70pbkM/V0FKSC8FWrDWZuD0dIvKlKVv967Db1vQFB3e8Xe4KPcR71WHpS ehIA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.234.98 with SMTP id ud2mr10748524pbc.136.1352559104091; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 06:51:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.26.73 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 06:51:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 22:51:44 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [head tinderbox] failure on arm/arm From: Doug Brewer To: Chuck Burns Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 15:07:29 +0000 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 14:51:45 -0000 Chuck Burns wrote: On 11/9/2012 4:16 PM, Brett wrote: > >> Message: 11 > >> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 23:34:58 +0800 > >> From: Doug Brewer > >> To: Adrian Chadd > >> Cc: arm@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Tinderbox , > >> current@freebsd.org > >> Subject: Re: [head tinderbox] failure on arm/arm > >> Message-ID: > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 > >> > >> No offence, but how many times did you break the build? Could you plea= se > >> compile your code before committing next time? Thanks a lot! > >> > > > > Just an observation: a few years ago when I got sick of Linux's "headlo= ng rush" development model, I subscribed to various BSD mailing lists to se= e what else was out there. I considered FreeBSD at the time - there was a n= everending avalanche of "[head tinderbox] failure" messages. This told me t= hat I would be more likely to be running code written by people who knew wh= at they were doing if I went with Open, Net, or DragonflyBSD. > > > > I safely run OpenBSD-current on my main computer and it always works (I= think I have had 2-3 build problems in about 3 years, and they were all my= fault). At the moment, I only feel confident enough with FreeBSD-current t= o run it on my unimportant torrent computer. This is 80% due to constant bu= ild failures, and 20% due to invasive changes being introduced with documen= tation/instructions scattered over many different pages and mailing lists, = e.g: > > > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/FrontPage?action=3Dfullsearch&context=3D180&val= ue=3Dxorg&titlesearch=3DTitles > > > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/FrontPage?action=3Dfullsearch&context=3D180&val= ue=3Dpkgng&titlesearch=3DTitles > > > > Hypothetical user: "Is it WITHOUT_PKGNG=3D or WITHOUT_PKGNG=3Dyes or WI= TH_PKGNG=3Dno today?" > > > > I wonder how many other people that you never hear from feel the same, = and if some sort of "x weeks commit freezeout" should apply to the build br= eakers. Cute pointy hats or whatever obviously have no effect. > > > > Rant over! > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > > > Quite honestly, the head/current branch is going to have build > failures.. It's the test bed.. YOU'VE GOTTA BE KIDDING ME. > Stick with the release system unless you > want cutting edge.. just remember.. cutting edge cuts sometimes...