From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 10:46:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A039D16A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:46:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from amsfep20-int.chello.nl (amsfep12-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C761643D54 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:46:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dodell@sitetronics.com) Received: from sitetronics.com ([62.163.150.239]) by amsfep20-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.00.05.02 201-2115-109-103-20031105) with ESMTP id <20040330184646.YPTY7031.amsfep20-int.chello.nl@sitetronics.com>; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:46:46 +0200 Message-ID: <4069BFC1.5020903@sitetronics.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:43:13 +0200 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jeff Jirsa (HMC)" References: <200403301730.i2UHUPB4014556@2advanced.com> In-Reply-To: <200403301730.i2UHUPB4014556@2advanced.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Website X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:46:47 -0000 Jeff Jirsa (HMC) wrote: > >>I believe I was the one that requested a core sanction. The reason is I >>remember when this thread came up before... It's difficult to go out and >>start doing something and dedicate alot of time when you are not >>absolutely sure that it will be accepted. >> >>A core sanction would also help in other areas... What is the decided >>platform? Perl, PHP, MySQL, Postgresql. >> >>What happens if I go out and do it in mod_perl and mysql, and then a core >>member says, "It should be done in php like site xyz". >> > > > If core is interested in a redesign, can someone with a few spare minutes > shoot me an email off-list? > > - Jeff Jirsa > Honestly, I think that a ``redesign'' is never happening. The reason nobody attempts it is because everybody knows that the Foundation will never saction it. The current FreeBSD.org site is nice, easy to navigate, has good information, etc. Here is my proposal: _IF_ people are genuinely interested in doing this, I will set up a Wiki or some other form of software in which discussions can take place. We can discuss a platform for development, data storage, content management, etc. We will probably need the following (in no particular order): * Project manager. I'm sick of seeing this bikeshed and I'm happy to manage the development of this project, so I will volunteer myself to spend whatever time necessary to manage this project, provided the other ``requirements'' are fulfilled. * People committed to spend several months merging content from freebsd.org to the ``sister site''. * People willing to develop or set up, maintain and modify a CMS such as Plone, EZ Publish, or any other corporate-friendly CMS. This will be an ongoing job. * People willing to create and maintain templates for said CMS. * People willing to manage content/news/etc. These people will need to be in close contact or part of the FreeBSD documentation and security projects and will need to be able to update data on the page and post security vulnerabilities. * Corporate content managers. You will need to be willing to spend enough time daily/weekly to develop and maintain corporate content. I imagine stories will focus on companies using FreeBSD for their products or to achieve their work (interviews, reviews, etc.) * Graphic designers able to come up with corporate logos and who are able to work with the corporate team to create logos and graphics for the site and for stories. * Web designers -- this may fall into the category of the template administrator as well. I'm probably underestimating the necessities at the moment, but as you can see, finding such a team to work _for free_ is no easy task. That said, if you can contribute (and only if you CAN contribute and WILL HAVE THE TIME and WILL COMMIT to the project NO DOUBTS, NQA, KTHX, etc.) Did I mention that if you have a doubt about your ability to commit, don't? Okay, that said: if you're interested, willing, and able: contact me off-list. We will get our shit together and do the following: * Assign tasks * Make a roadmap * Begin with the site * Develop a write-up and pitch this to the FreeBSD Foundation and core@ for their opinions. We will be aiming to create a page that the Foundation and core@ will officially endorse as a corporate page. I think one of the downfalls with this list is that people talk about it and want to talk to the Foundation and core@ about it but: a) never do, b) haven't put their money where their mouth is, or, c) never actually do anything after discussions * If this is good enough, we will continue assigning tasks, planning, mapping, developing and co-working with members of the FreeBSD group. So. If you're interested, contact me. If you know people who can help, get them in on it to. This is a non-paying project. YOU ARE VOLUNTEERING YOUR TIME. Again: if you can't put up, shut up. I'm tired of seeing this thread repeated. So let us all do something about it or let us PLEASE let it R.I.P. Kind regards, Devon H. O'Dell