Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:04:10 -0400 From: Benjamin Polidore <cash@h50.net> To: "Devon H. O'Dell" <dodell@sitetronics.com>, Vulpes Velox <kitbsdlist2@hotpop.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Revamped Look 'n' feel: Feedback appreciated! Message-ID: <BB8CF30A.155C%cash@h50.net> In-Reply-To: <3F677547.4090007@sitetronics.com>
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On 9/16/03 4:40 PM, "Devon H. O'Dell" <dodell@sitetronics.com> wrote: > >> What is so bloody horrible about the FreeBSD site? It is much more >> proffesional >> than redhat's site. The two side parts are great. The only thing that could >> stand to be redone is the center section. It providing a bit more info and >> ect >> could be nice. >> >> Yes we do have a different way of judging things. I regard proffesional as >> lacking glib or having little glib. Looks are entirely pointless. Info >> are the only things that matter. The ability to effectively convey that >> information is being proffesional, not throwing in a bunch of glib and >> confusacating the entire issue. >> >> There are many ways of laying stuff out. The template redhat borrows is just >> one, But in the case of redhat it is just horrible implemented. I have >> personally yet to see how layout choices factors into proffessionalism. As >> long >> as it provides the info and ect and little or no glib, then it is cool and >> proffessional. >> >> >> > What in God's name does glib have to do with websites or > professionalism? What in God's name is "confusacating"? Do you know what > glib is? Ack! > >> >> Glib came into this when you mentioned redhat's site. It is glib and only >> glib. >> With very little of any actual value. The navigation is badly laid out. >> >> > glib is a C library containing several routines to make things like > string handling much easier. It has nothing to do with web sites, > design, or layouts (or professionalism). Many 'professional' > applications utilize glib. End of glib discussion, mmmkay? > >> I am glad not every one is like me, that would be boring. The numbers don't >> matter, in this case. A large chunk of them lack the ability for rational >> thought. Thus they relly on others to make their choices for them. That is >> what >> marketing execs are for. To help them make decisions to buy inferior >> products. >> One should not let themselves be manipulated by the majority just because >> they >> think they are right. For the most part right and wrong are just a illusion. >> Let >> others live in peace when they let one live in peace, but when they don't, >> one >> should take action and put it to a end. >> > Here, I have a better idea. Why don't the people that want to make a > 'more professional' site (which I interpret as meaning one aimed at > corporations and enterprises and such) make that and why don't you stay > out of it? You seem to be throwing a lot of flames and 'confuscating' > (heh) a lot of things. Like glib and web design/development. I > personally don't appreciate seeing this kind of stuff, even when it's > not directed towards me. > > I do agree that FreeBSD could benefit from a more 'enterprise-targeted' > site (although, as I said earlier, Sun's website is > 'enterprise-targeted' and is also quite simple). It doesn't have to be > really busy or even something totally different. All the same, a site > targeted at corporations is not a bad idea. Somebody just has to take > initiative to: > > a) Make it > b) take criticism > > So why don't we all just lay down the flaming sword and start working > together instead of against each other? Or have I been hugging too many > trees lately? > > --Devon > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Yet again, this list is out of control. I think the argument most people are trying to make is that FreeBSD needs a more MODERN site, not a more "professional" site whatever that means. The format of the site hasn't changed in YEARS, and in this time, there have been many advances in web technology. In order to represent FreeBSD as a modern operating system, its web site should make use of at least some of these technologies. Of course the site shouldn't be gaudy or glib; it should be modern looking and appealing to first time visitors while maintaining its practicality to regular users. To the purists, I would say that a modern site can actually be MORE efficient; that is the purpose of PHP and the like. Things like collapsible menus and other dynamic content can make browsing a site a lot easier if done well. FreeBSD needs a new look. -BP
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