From owner-freebsd-security Tue Aug 27 12:57: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C23A37B410 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.FreeBSD.org.uk [194.242.157.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E75DC43EA3 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:55:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grimreaper.grondar.org) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (uucp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7RFeA8C096856; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:40:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grimreaper.grondar.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) with UUCP id g7RFeAtX096855; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:40:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from grimreaper.grondar.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grimreaper.grondar.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7RFail5021355; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:36:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grimreaper.grondar.org) Message-Id: <200208271536.g7RFail5021355@grimreaper.grondar.org> To: Jens Rehsack Cc: freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Administrivia: Discussion - Making this list subscriber-only References: <3D6B8535.D3E1DB4@liwing.de> In-Reply-To: <3D6B8535.D3E1DB4@liwing.de> ; from Jens Rehsack "Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:57:09 +0200." Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:36:44 +0100 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I got an overwhelmingly positive (off-list, thanks!) response to my > > complaint that this list's signal-to-noise ratio was terrible. > > For that you should really use a spam filter. Spam is a small part of the problem. A much larger part is off-topic chatter. > > Comments? Suggestions? (Keep it brief and focussed, folks!) > > Personally I like the solution on PHP mailing lists. Everybody can > write mail to a list without having to subscribe. But the sending > first ever mail to that list you must! allow validating your address > by responding an auth request like when subscribing to fbsd lists. How will that stop off-topic chatter? > This allows to post validated senders only but keeps freedom to all > people who wants post. _Less_ freedom is actually needed. It is precisely that freedom which has allowed the list to become a question-and-answer (or HOWTO) list that has dropped the signal value so badly. > I do not like restricted use. The end doesn't justifies the means! Depends on the "end". Here I mean a dramatic drop in newbie questions and a consequent increase in the technical content/discussion ratio. I also hope to attract back the security gurus, and thus further improve the signal content. M -- o Mark Murray \_ O.\_ Warning: this .sig is umop ap!sdn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message