From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 30 17:36:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71256106564A; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:36:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivoras@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f13.google.com (mail-bw0-f13.google.com [209.85.218.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF718FC17; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:36:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivoras@gmail.com) Received: by bwz6 with SMTP id 6so188945bwz.19 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:36:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yC6KV8jq6oWd7U6tUd58UtOzeVBy2t9D/wJzLLDfB1w=; b=a2abKAWR8+rdr+IL+xMLupjRI58KHJ0UY2WK/s3iQpmC6hmpV8X5WoQ8vPFI5KUTfy uwtyC5S0J87rFw2j7WFd1l5j/9GIyIrYoRKI1XnDcWtGiwGW40/1nwOTkKhA/DMy9pE9 0babHFrdMVoTimXIrz5wRqugFK7T0KdazKMfg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=MaRLFSjGXvGsr9eU3q/3HeF9k58NGnKUGZhvvs5pxwcj7ctY9oGr03I8a3A/iP9Ec4 2eIN8YRGpF9fLoaox07B5RVQ1VXAgvuEtLXxwJKqsKFR2a12O1mteJ3exOEaOBNpH5DG ZIsop+WfslOj78yo+7tk6my9SFtSWFzx+1ZZA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: ivoras@gmail.com Received: by 10.181.141.7 with SMTP id t7mr507486bkn.61.1233336960923; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:36:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20090130142035.GA90484@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <200901130653.n0D6rrNX092719@svn.freebsd.org> <20090130015518.GA20404@hades.panopticon> <20090130113402.GB92386@dragon.NUXI.org> <9bbcef730901300402q61273d58q76472e585985fc3c@mail.gmail.com> <20090130123711.GA89940@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <4982FEF1.2000309@dlr.de> <20090130142035.GA90484@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:36:00 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 52e8d6cb73c1e6a4 Message-ID: <9bbcef730901300936u57b5ef8cn8b33cdb5efae97eb@mail.gmail.com> From: Ivan Voras To: Erik Trulsson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, obrien@freebsd.org, Dmitry Marakasov , svn-src-head@freebsd.org, Hartmut Brandt Subject: Re: svn commit: r187132 - head/usr.bin/make X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:36:04 -0000 2009/1/30 Erik Trulsson : > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 02:21:53PM +0100, Hartmut Brandt wrote: >> Erik Trulsson wrote: >> > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 01:02:15PM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: >> >> 2009/1/30 David O'Brien : >> >> >> >>> compiler invocation must really bug you. Perhaps we should have the >> >>> quiet out put of the ncftp3 build where every complication takes only >> >>> 1 line: >> >>> >> >>> Compiling DStrCat.so: [OK] >> >>> Compiling DStrFree.so: [OK] >> >>> Compiling Dynscpy.so: [OK] >> >>> Compiling Strncpy.so: [OK] >> >>> Compiling strtokc.so: [OK] >> >>> ..snip.. >> >> I'd vote for that being the default :) >> > >> > I would not. In fact I am quite happy that is not the default. >> > >> >> It's also the mode used by Linux kernel (note that it's not a pro or a >> >> contra argument in itself), e.g. >> > >> > True, and it is a PITA when there is a problem with the compilation, since >> > you need to add extra flags to the verbose output so you can find out what >> > flags the compiler actually was invoked with. >> >> I took that vote as a joke. It may only be a joke, right? > > It might well have been a joke. Probably was in fact, but I am not willing > to take any chances on that. I hoped that the over-the-top youtube video soundtrack would be a cue :) I was sure there was a video with parts of the Matrix soundtrack somewhere but I couldn't find it... But still, it's a long distance between what developers want and what users want. In this case, the best thing for non-developer users would be not to compile the system themselves but use bsdupdate for upgrading, so it makes sense to keep the build process tailored for developers. (on-topic: I've used FreeBSD since 4.2, I don't care what was in 4.4BSD).