From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 2 06:46:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEEE11065670 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 06:46:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander@leidinger.net) Received: from redbull.bpaserver.net (redbullneu.bpaserver.net [213.198.78.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795B78FC1A for ; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 06:46:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander@leidinger.net) Received: from outgoing.leidinger.net (pD9E2E4AF.dip.t-dialin.net [217.226.228.175]) by redbull.bpaserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9716E2E0AD; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 08:46:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail.leidinger.net (webmail.leidinger.net [192.168.1.102]) by outgoing.leidinger.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 856A87854E; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 08:46:17 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=Leidinger.net; s=outgoing-alex; t=1238654777; bh=j8LGv/wp4lKhmEk7StNYQh1r3TvMoKLqI cm7xwb81Ig=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WU+jBAVrzptVKw0J+Nnk2RDYzJaOkKXbMS1uMWb3kl4Nd9QiPIDKVkNDn7Rfe0p/2 9uM0jvz3J16+wzcnd0PxlZ4LuSh/gvuGqOEUOCGoINuGdyiwiO+4FTqISPfrEDFAtF3 SM5fDFEOpJ5MKSTIbo3WGuxMHXRtFHYg1DTe1REZGjHdfDOsDSqM3H/ROLLPx1UgunS 7UOFZjtQtzclhFYBIVvz1gDXiHLEL3MIlbRy9YGK0XoJIDaU7YAFuMNIYu4xr08muZo jDKXvHS5xmIGe7d4MC0agQevGNFAnUWm7RGUPUk9bw5fffS+OgoyVQE6Rl1OY1R+EQw z5G55oTHA== Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.leidinger.net (8.14.3/8.13.8/Submit) id n326kHpq055344; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 08:46:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from pslux.cec.eu.int (pslux.cec.eu.int [158.169.9.14]) by webmail.leidinger.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:46:16 +0200 Message-ID: <20090402084616.19846py8s75ogp44@webmail.leidinger.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:46:16 +0200 From: Alexander Leidinger To: Marcel Moolenaar References: <8321954E-5CFF-45F9-9F87-BE83659E4C8D@mac.com> <4e571dd70904010928w1900ca9ey740f256c344cdd57@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3) / FreeBSD-8.0 X-BPAnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: 9716E2E0AD.6C1AF X-BPAnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-BPAnet-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, ORDB-RBL, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-13.4, required 6, BAYES_00 -15.00, DKIM_SIGNED 0.00, DKIM_VERIFIED -0.00, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0.10, VOWEL_TOCC_6 1.50) X-BPAnet-MailScanner-From: alexander@leidinger.net X-Spam-Status: No Cc: FreeBSD Arch , Gordon Tetlow Subject: Re: On errno X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 06:46:56 -0000 Quoting Marcel Moolenaar (from Wed, 01 Apr 2009 =20 10:23:58 -0700): > If we were to write a compiler, the "Ugly American Programmer." > article would apply. Writing an OS, I would say that it applies > partially at best (one can make a distinction between operators > and users, and operators tend to prefer english AFAICT). In my experience operators prefer a language they understand well, but =20 this may be biased by the kind of operators I know (I work in a =20 multi-lingual environment, but we do not use FreeBSD at work). So =20 personally I would not distinguish between operators and users. I agree with your general opinion about i18n and think that it is not =20 a matter of workforce, it's a matter of feasability. As soon as we =20 have the infrastructure, translations will show up "soonish". It's not =20 "if", it's "when". Bye, Alexander. --=20 Real programmers don't write in BASIC. Actually, no programmers write in BASIC after reaching puberty. http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID =3D B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID =3D 72077137