Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:45:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Bzdik BSD <bzdik@yahoo.com> To: Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be> Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Acknowledgement by Jobs Message-ID: <20010529204523.88175.qmail@web13609.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <p0510030db73938e070e2@[194.78.241.123]>
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No argument on Marcolini :)
--- Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be> wrote:
> At 3:46 AM -0700 5/29/01, Bzdik BSD wrote:
>
> > I was trying to give our gentleman-profiler a few more hints,
> don't
> > spoil the process<g>
>
> Seeing as Jordan has been to Nederlands at least once or twice
> before (he was present for the launch of the Netherlands FreeBSD
> Users Group, where he first announced the merger of Walnut Creek and
> BSDi), I don't think that any hints I might drop would be likely to
> give him much additional hints.
>
> > as for beer invention, talk to monks from
> {Monken
> > on Isar}Munchen :)you'll end up fighting
>
> When do they claim to have invented it? What was later to become
> the Abbaye d'Orval (in southern Belgium) was established in 1070 (see
>
> <http://www.orval.be/anglais/time/time1.html>), and on the 9th March
> in 1132 it was formally inhabited by monks of the Cistercian order.
>
> Later, they followed the even more austere La Trappe model, from
> whence comes the term "Trappiste", which may only be legally applied
> to the five surviving monasteries of that order in Belgium (and one
> in the Netherlands), which also happen to produce beer according to
> the original methods (best known is Chimay, but there is also Orval,
> Rochefort, Westmalle, and Westvleteren).
>
> Indeed, they appear to have been brewing beer at Orval, virtually
> since it was founded (from
> <http://www.orval.be/anglais/products/brewery/brewery2.html>):
>
> Throughout the long history of Orval, there has
> probably always been a brewery at the monastery.
> Various facts corroborate this idea: topographical
> references on old drawings; a detailed description
> of production left by a Franciscan visitor three
> hundred years ago; an area called the "hop-field"
> very close to the monastery. To brew beer was
> customary in these areas little-suited to
> vine-growing. Beer was first and foremost
> considered for its nourishing properties: it was
> called "liquid bread".
>
> > the best beer is made by friends of Joseph Schweik anyway...no
> matter
> > what you say...
>
> Who?
>
> Anyway, as we know, the definition of "best" is always one of
> personal opinion and relative to their particular preferences, but
> many beer experts have considered Belgian Trappiste beers to be the
> best in the world. From Michael Jackson's "Beer Hunter" site (see
> <http://www.beerhunter.com/documents/19133-000107.html>, Published in
>
> Print: FEB 2, 1991; Published in: The Independent):
>
> Chastity, poverty and a pint
>
> They don't talk about it much, but Trappist monks have been
> brewing good strong beer for ages, writes Michael Jackson
>
> As my beliefs do not require me to give up any food or drink
> for Lent (which begins in the middle of this month), I shall
> instead add a pleasure. I shall buy myself enough Trappist
> beer to see me through to Easter.
>
> > Belgian
> > chocolate is undisputedly superior to anything else {watch this
> line}in
> > its product cathegory.
>
> Again, "different strokes for different folks".
>
> That said, there are a number of world-class chocolatiers in
> Belgium, some of whom are world-famous and much beloved by royalty
> and high government officials around the world. Myself, I can eat
> quite a large quantity of chocolate, but the first place I've found
> that creates what I would call "Haute Chocolat" is Pierre Marcolini,
> and even I can only eat a few pieces at a time of their stuff.
>
> > Besides, why power of Unix on desktop? Haven't they failed this
> with
> > NeXT, the biggest flop of Jobz's? My neighbourhood restaurant has
> > already QNX installed, so does NASA...you still dreaming?
>
> The key problem is that many application programs are not as well
> written as they should be, so when they crash, if the operating
> system underneath them is not itself sufficiently robust, the risk is
>
> that the application going down will take the OS with it. This is
> precisely what happens on both Macintosh and PCs. One could argue
> that Windows NT is a solution to this problem, but it is not a
> multi-user OS, and suffers from a number of other design problems.
>
> IMO, the best solution for these problems is to have the full
> power of the Unix OS on the desktop. However, for reasons of user
> (and programmer) friendliness, you also need a good GUI and
> programming tools available, as well as a large enough mass market
> that you can attract the kinds of programmers writing the kinds of
> programs that your customers will want to use on the desktop.
>
> > I spent 9 hours today doing my regular gigs in mac OS 8.6, and
> believe
> > me: I tried them all. For what I do, the *productivity* is still
> on a
> > Mac Classic desktop. Black Holes suck, so does Mac OSX dock. Big
> time.
>
> It takes a while to get used to any new environment. And MacOS
> X/Aqua is a pretty big change over the classic "Platinum" MacOS
> environment.
>
> However, I've read quite a few articles by people who trashed
> MacOS X as much (or more) than you, but who became used to the
> changes and even preferred them, after sufficiently acclimating to
> the new environment.
>
>
> All it takes is time. And until you've put in that time, you
> really have no reason (or right) to treat it the way you have.
>
> --
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles@skynet.be>
>
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