From owner-svn-src-head@freebsd.org Sat Jun 20 13:57:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C76B3526C6 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 2020 13:57:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qv1-xf2f.google.com (mail-qv1-xf2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49py114JQ1z43rG for ; Sat, 20 Jun 2020 13:57:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qv1-xf2f.google.com with SMTP id r16so5868435qvm.6 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 2020 06:57:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=1CY0F+xeC5gV7+iwm82l6CY4C3syRU5tsOXoIKWaOno=; b=k3HQUfPQs9HREFk4RyAa7GiFHpYcb9FGxEabG+LRGfpd9uEaGLoORVFX4dSPVLIZbI 0WsUesxjg5wdAj7xfIXq1lNboyeL/uprsjmdmEMyq/1keFSMAvOjZ3Tm0brxwUnD9d30 Pkf3rRNBR3BDtPBIUTLpq/N7dpBXHp/MrmqdPX1RWJ1paDMzkZw8VpIKwmA3U0iVhMfE KD+lYlBuVQNQ01Se8hPR9ZzPO7TzDxPR8seEAmjLFDyv3YRMvsFrL1JRuLsRHmU/3+8V GEbpe0oaVLC4CE6s/VxZPigraoI2qetv1qsTJnFPLUn1KTF7OrZOmhkAWKGvnEQ44cTV VFKQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=1CY0F+xeC5gV7+iwm82l6CY4C3syRU5tsOXoIKWaOno=; b=BObMaVZlYX+hPv1KSI0ytmt2PU7YzSTd3Mv44ROY3XZX/11QTQVYqmCwPGByfe2fiW 0UodYr023s6Xj4HqI8ZUzV8L3SclIFdjjeuHx/zvjqC1vhUb/Toiaqzl31LLafY95q6z caFlu4iYQjOHqeseJXpa6EK1nEzgqAVGDrGN2+XCCQgLQk5JfgJ6Nxi69HN1F76A6ABP V6rsRvNq9fQr8nGLU8wtA6ZYp+TWpHvjzrMvzscgTNuZZ1BXJeJHzsWwMTQ5aQMuWasr pgixtHJ9kbdj82L/PaqxQpxKtHNbVEpm5wa9T4pKEDKq2IMYfJOOHqVbaQpAE77t/rBp 1fFg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531ilC7l7duimJ5eXFMdueKx4P3KViK3/tUc4uVaA5OW801VH1+V n5I6aO5Kr0HDj16f8tTWe6blKQQ/UooavI8Xa8fMlw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzaVMXQCSXIwpxWiTHRf9QX5nwEiuZjhv2an4SKl5As1Bz2xveQrhB3UOupiTGIb8ztwzoafeZlJPRhyKTE/pY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:17cb:: with SMTP id cu11mr13489839qvb.202.1592661460453; Sat, 20 Jun 2020 06:57:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202006201110.05KBAZBU099451@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> <3bab2cbf-c221-7d18-5257-2d3971975558@selasky.org> In-Reply-To: <3bab2cbf-c221-7d18-5257-2d3971975558@selasky.org> From: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 07:57:29 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: svn commit: r362422 - head/sbin/dump To: Hans Petter Selasky Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , Warner Losh , src-committers , svn-src-all , svn-src-head X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49py114JQ1z43rG X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=k3HQUfPQ; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wlosh@bsdimp.com has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2f) smtp.mailfrom=wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.01 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.39)[-0.390]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.52)[-0.518]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[svn-src-head@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdimp.com]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.10)[-0.098]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2f:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 13:57:42 -0000 On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 7:27 AM Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > On 2020-06-20 13:10, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > >> Author: imp > >> Date: Sat Jun 20 04:19:17 2020 > >> New Revision: 362422 > >> URL:https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/362422 > >> > >> Log: > >> Increase the whimsy in this file by famring dump's work out to > minions. Adjust > >> variables accordingly. Thankfully, we are able to do this without > additional > >> banana expenditures. > > This flys in the face of its intent and as a "commit" is more > > racially biased than the code was! > > > > Hi Warner, > > Maybe a stupid question, but is this the correct meaning or description > of minion? > > https://www.google.com/search?q=minions > > minion; plural noun: minions > > a follower or underling of a powerful person, especially a servile > or unimportant one. > "he gets oppressed minions like me to fob them off" > > "Minion" is still a person, like "slave" is, so I must say I agree with > Rodney about this, I don't see how this makes it any better? Can you > explain? > For me, Minions come from the Despicable Me movies and sequels. They work for Gru, who pays them for their services. They love Bananas and often do crazy things for a banana. They work for Gru willingly. They are free to leave at any time. They are sad at the prospect of Gru having to lay them off. Minions are also, as you point out, employed by the powerful to accomplish things. Key word here is 'employed'. Servile doesn't mean 'involuntary servitude' but rather 'an excessive willingness to please.' Underling means only that them are below them on the org chart. There's no inherent implication of an abusive relationship, per se, though that happens as in any power relationship between people. And the extensive searching I did before the commit showed no complaints about the movies, or that this term had some coded, racist history. Or any other coded history that's problematic. Or any overt history for that matter. SaltStack uses it as their name for agents that carry out tasks, for example. So what am I missing? Warner