From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 3 17:45:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35EA7106564A; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 17:45:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sam@freebsd.org) Received: from ebb.errno.com (ebb.errno.com [69.12.149.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3248FC25; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 17:45:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sam@freebsd.org) Received: from Macintosh-4.local ([10.0.0.194]) (authenticated bits=0) by ebb.errno.com (8.13.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id m73HisZS034134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 3 Aug 2008 10:44:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sam@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <4895EE96.9070404@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 10:44:54 -0700 From: Sam Leffler Organization: FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "M. Warner Losh" References: <64491.1217595198@critter.freebsd.dk> <20080801132624.GG1359@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20080801134435.GQ99951@hoeg.nl> <20080803.113253.-532680110.imp@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <20080803.113253.-532680110.imp@bsdimp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-sonic.net-Metrics: ebb.errno.com; whitelist Cc: ed@80386.nl, phk@phk.freebsd.dk, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Reminder: non-mpsafetty drivers to be *dis*connected on Sunday X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:45:15 -0000 M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <20080801134435.GQ99951@hoeg.nl> > Ed Schouten writes: > : Maybe I'm replying to too many messages at the same time, but as John > : said, it's a lot easier making the remaining drivers work after the code > : has been integrated. It's not like we're permanently carving things into > : stone - we've almost got a full year to get it all working again. > > We've heard this promise before. It rarely has resulted in the > promised work. I don't think this is the right way forward. I'll point out that my vap work languished for almost 3 years waiting for help to convert drivers. That help never really came; people did pitch in towards the end (not to belittle the help I received) but in the end it took sponsorship to see it into the tree. Even now there are drivers that are unfinished (ipw comes to mind) and much work still remains. I am solidly behind Ed and believe his plan is the correct one. Sam