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[74.125.82.52]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 63sm2650541wrh.68.2017.02.22.10.13.42 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Feb 2017 10:13:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wm0-f52.google.com with SMTP id v186so148274664wmd.0; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 10:13:42 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.28.188.213 with SMTP id m204mr3519610wmf.0.1487787222089; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 10:13:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: cem@freebsd.org Received: by 10.80.152.82 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 10:13:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20170222180541.GG15630@zxy.spb.ru> References: <201702210937.v1L9bY6V093836@repo.freebsd.org> <28a4cf5e-2edd-3e30-9ecd-817f886e9ea3@FreeBSD.org> <20170221144002.GA87822@FreeBSD.org> <20170222112335.GA29481@ymer.vnode.se> <20170222180541.GG15630@zxy.spb.ru> From: Conrad Meyer Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 10:13:41 -0800 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: svn commit: r314036 - head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall/scripts To: Slawa Olhovchenkov Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Bart=C5=82omiej_Rutkowski?= , src-committers , svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 18:13:50 -0000 On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote= : > On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 08:11:14AM -0800, Conrad Meyer wrote: > >> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 3:23 AM, Joel Dahl wrote: >> > On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 07:56:52AM +0000, Bart=C5=82omiej Rutkowski wr= ote: >> >> I strongly believe we should, by default, ship as secured and hardene= d as >> >> possible in order to improve overall security of new users installati= ons. >> >> Power users will and do change the OS as they please, they most likel= y >> >> don't use bsdinstall in first place, so they're not affected in any w= ay. >> > >> > Sorry, I strongly disagree with that. I'm most likely a "power user" a= nd I use >> > bsdinstall. >> >> Ditto. I'm also unfamiliar enough with the installer to trip on this >> kind of thing. Slawa's proposed "disable all" option would be fine. > > My english not enought fluent for more explicate proposal, from my > point most of this options do hardened in only limited cases, for > other cases same options do system more un-hardened by force working > as root. Some have unevident effects (/tmp cleaning, for example). Yep. I am not concerned about disabling sendmail or remote syslog by default, though. > For many users this options will be source of weird issuses (gdb don't > work? fucking ugly freebsd! migrate to linux). Yeah, I am concerned about this too. (Also: "ps doesn't work" would be a big newbie sysadmin headache.) > This is evil trend of enforcing weird solutions under the auspices of > 'my safety': airport security check, backgound check on every point, > lawfull intercept, block access to hardware management in safety > enviroment by 'leak ecnription'. I am enoght smart for self-sufficient > security risk assessment! > > Industry already have at some "hardened" BSD: OpenBSD and HardenedBSD. > Waht about market share? Best, Conrad