From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 18:19:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15F710656DB for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:19:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 997C28FC43 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:19:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54IJa9H036010; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:19:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n54IJaE2036007; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:19:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:19:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Steve Bertrand In-Reply-To: <4A280CB2.6020909@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <20090604131017.a85fb456.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <4A280CB2.6020909@ibctech.ca> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Bill Moran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:19:48 -0000 >>> That's the stupidest answer I've heard today. >> >> It isn't that stupid. As many ISPs admins aren't very good, they simply >> fear. > > Based on the answers provided, I highly doubt that the OP was speaking > to an admin... Of course not, but THEY require others to not talk about used hardware and software because they fear. And they really believe it helps :) In Poland actually the "hated" Polish Telecom have best managed IP network. Most others are really poor and that's the important reason that Polish Telecom have really little competition. They invested millions of dollars each for hardware, but not employees.