From owner-freebsd-rc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 11 13:04:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-rc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0842110656A9; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:04:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C7A8FC23; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:04:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <484FCD69.2080504@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:04:41 +0200 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pawel Jakub Dawidek References: <200806090907.m5997wwM043284@svn.freebsd.org> <86hcc2vjnv.fsf@ds4.des.no> <484E2E05.5080804@wubethiopia.com> <86lk1du3au.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20080610145350.GA19374@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> <484FB5DE.8060001@wubethiopia.com> <20080611121338.GA2098@garage.freebsd.pl> In-Reply-To: <20080611121338.GA2098@garage.freebsd.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Brooks Davis , freebsd-rc@FreeBSD.org, src-committers@FreeBSD.org, Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav Subject: Re: svn commit: r179669 - head/sbin/rcorder X-BeenThere: freebsd-rc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion related to /etc/rc.d design and implementation." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:04:43 -0000 Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 02:24:14PM +0300, Mike Makonnen wrote: >> Brooks Davis wrote: >>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:01:13AM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav wrote: >>>> Mike Makonnen writes: >>>>> Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav writes: >>>>>> How about s/REQUIRE/AFTER/, to mirror BEFORE? >>>>> I would be in favor of that. Any objections? >>>> (obviously, we'd have to keep REQUIRE for backward compat, and perhaps >>>> emit a warning when we come across a script that uses it) >>> I think we'd want to support REQUIRE quietly until 6.x and 7.x releases >>> that >>> support AFTER have been shipped for some time and a sweep of ports has been >>> done. After that we could consider a warning in HEAD. >>> >>> That said, I'm not yet totally convinced (still thinking about it) given >>> the level of churn involved. >> Actually, I was thinking that we leave REQUIRE in there indefinitely for >> backwards compatibility and avoiding gratuitous differences with >> NetBSD and DragonFly. It doesn't cost us anything but is a net benefit >> to our users. We can simply discourage its use in the documentation. As >> far as churn is concerned: I don't think it's that big a deal >> (especially if you use mergemaster -U). The patch is actually pretty >> simple (see attachment). > > Just a note from a user perspective. Every time I install FreeBSD and I > upgrade it to the latest release, I've to spend a lot of time to > manually install all the changes like the above (I'm not used to -U > option, but I also think it doesn't work for the first time.). > And believe me, this is sooo huge PITA, especially if you have to > install more than one system (but not many enough to automate it). > > If there really have to be changes like that, please consider installing > rc.d/ script as a part of the installworld target. More or less what > kib@ suggested the other day. Yes, rc.d changes are a big PITA to mergemaster. I always ^C, then do cd /usr/src/etc/rc.d; make install, then start over. It would be nice if that could be automated. Kris