From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jul 6 22:52:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00808 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:52:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00798 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:52:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA27827; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:51:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Joel Ray Holveck cc: smoergrd@oslo.geco-prakla.slb.com, tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: xf86OpenConsole: KDENABIO failed (Operation not permitted) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 07 Jul 1998 00:40:48 CDT." <199807070540.AAA10832@detlev.UUCP> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 22:51:40 -0700 Message-ID: <27823.899790700@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Now, will everybody please quit telling me why it exists, or why a fix > is nontrivial? (If anybody thinks that not being able to run X when > securelevel > 1 is the Right Thing, I would be happy to continue > discussion.) Erm, but what did you expect? Calling it a bug without attaching a fix is one of the most useless activities imaginable since the folks who are capable of "fixing" it already know why it's there and what the trade-offs are, so you're only going to get lots of the above from them ("this is why it exists, this is why a fix is non-trivial"). Those who aren't capable of fixing it aren't going to contribute much that's useful to the discussion either except for lots of "yeah! why does it work that way? Somebody should do something! I'm going to write my congressman!" :-) Truly, standing up on a soapbox and calling it a bug is Not Useful and has already been done before by a succession of previous soapbox orators (check out the OpenBSD mailing lists sometime for a whole book's worth of material on the topic). Suggesting some real, tangible approach to dealing with it would be a welcome switch from the usual. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message