From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 07:45:35 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20472C7A; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 07:45:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f172.google.com (mail-we0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA0C9BF2; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 07:45:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wesw62 with SMTP id w62so5567868wes.9; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 23:45:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=DZI6jz1kgTjjd2MyHc7aMzNWdawe5298evsSLasAOAk=; b=VkBknqFvPoOtNkxF6+UYv3JprzOq8utceOaRpG5ALT3cd93IGtrm59B/RXh8KTJDca SqJB7MTqJubuV/o8CbaSRLDC7ABKiNfZuZ3yrX+yao4E3KvQFEQEq9UtBVOJJYaDIAkB klN5h6I0KLpLnNd6Yvvsv8L9l1f+tuapcK8TbBeYOICxAWL8BpcBKzs+gXYoVwkKokQj sD2rLIrMlBAQEHRLrcnYhQFeODQcSnSssYAivMfaJ4G7j9BjXHRrJKeZcvf7Bl5fbeLa nm9chYhC/ltDyebpVDxtR+0I8+Ddmpxy0fpP9ZN9XlLY5N5mWVqDYpBKHIS/lkBKmLuf QIbw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.85.70 with SMTP id f6mr7705386wiz.22.1424331927113; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 23:45:27 -0800 (PST) Sender: kob6558@gmail.com Received: by 10.27.19.3 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 23:45:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F3A7029-EF19-40E0-B859-E169684A3B36@lastsummer.de> References: <54E5232F.3060409@delphij.net> <021CBC62-4CC6-4137-897E-FE482139E09B@westryn.net> <54E539F3.2070506@egr.msu.edu> <4F3A7029-EF19-40E0-B859-E169684A3B36@lastsummer.de> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 23:45:27 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: H5eMjJlEg_rELA5EKBE6HGlrPvM Message-ID: Subject: Re: default pager (csh) From: Kevin Oberman To: Franco Fichtner X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:16:53 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: Davide Italiano , FreeBSD Hackers , Adam McDougall , freebsd-current X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 07:45:35 -0000 On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:46 PM, Franco Fichtner wrote: > > > On 19 Feb 2015, at 02:27, Davide Italiano wrote: > > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Adam McDougall > wrote: > >> The PAGER was less for about half a year and reverted. Please see: > >> > >> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=242643 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > OK, I think this ends the discussion =) > > Nope, not good enough. The way I see it we achieved nothing > despite the fact that several bugs are on the table. > > Now that we all agree more(1) is the way to go, can we please fix > colouring and the pager quit issue for man pages using sensible > options in more(1)? > > Other's should speak up for their woes with the FreeBSD defaults > too. The defaults are supposed to be the best we can do. Right > now, we can actually do better. :) > > > Cheers, > Franco > I want my bikeshed to be purple with yellow stars. I want my PAGER to be Jim Davis's most(1). Does a LOT more than more or less. (Does have the annoying te/ti thing, though.) Displays binary. Auto-decompresses compressed files. Allows moving my line or percentage. Whole raft of neat stuff. Usually the second port (after portmaster) I install on a system since my finger type "most" even when I want them to type "more" because the system does not have most installed. I don't expect anyone else to agree and don't expect it to ever be in the base, let alone the default. Still, it's a much better pager then less, whether it's called more or not. Started using it at least 25 years ago on VMS. -- Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer, Retired E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com