From nobody Sun Jan 19 11:50:34 2025 X-Original-To: bugs@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4YbWxl5HVDz5l7hH for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2025 11:50:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "R11" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4YbWxl4YxRz3Hr1 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2025 11:50:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1737287435; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=GEk+oqEvLSSXxpaJFmefo+JB0rS8+uzSywgY05npC88=; b=TRoTXfTF44eprSv1mr84d3pKYm5oNG4np5yBieuvkRnts0ktODqstkE/zKTrapwBRUy3QJ REvjJnLIwZKpjpfHqNw2tqTrDCRK2/WKmOvgfgyWSfvqhkzYdP96cvwnc0m9Gxne/O4VS0 Titb0nh6PaEDhxHwwagW34WxgP0/Fn7kscsZz8EshE3IiWqoxgDagtAf8vAE1w+snQk9h2 s2C7OoPX4iDWg1/wMPSEAIrUJ7dkWiGipIVJf9Sqvj4YbycawxGry72cuWHmEmekTLwpsf VsTnOIE69i4ycZOPbLG9dGaQIJBqjp8fJhI0O0qRCSuPzAEzOF0Mh0/vH+zZsA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1737287435; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=GEk+oqEvLSSXxpaJFmefo+JB0rS8+uzSywgY05npC88=; b=NVJ0FK1vRw4sc2p5P3RxqqzwHSp6XDGw/nw4FLMRyLs8MkbGzFqpqLrsg7qAPer3+fliTk 5qNbCGNJqTYdLckPyeQeD+xuJ8tubAXl/ioxX6l2bdlTdHol+E4MTPb1EJwaL+XGFFAh+Z SX19imG25onD0Is2nKjaUK9PjK2XWY1Cy5UW0Y4tDsg1oo3iLIPgzQQACdUIWepHhveBjQ 3oG8Kkoq8SB5OGfmaeziDJGlToBCmiB6GoZ0pquh/xg1lsF286HL1sgO7/hd12tiIvHwVu 5NcmZsJcq3xVQObVQ8gZJtDL05C+CE3Fux+8BUlxNvQRSFrwMqTIReAUNVkPsQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1737287435; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=QSJaoOdtXmAnRbwPO8Z5yCD1gqhRWG/cH1dV+YOjr96rS6N/yqz9Bf53ZtJ+vMUP7opN/T eBXLaR+3FJj0YjUePjFCD5wMcUD36Ju1z3aiJwGqzjrBlO9KZzP9x1ePr9+7rEBpXPn05u /up9yzffbJDlQXGnKQHRezvC3FZNcihUsFcFhL72CKyh/A18qQly1knO9wOamFSsOW6Wen gP7Qn+R1OlpByey1r0bV1NyiGfQhA3piIArwJVgxws+L6TIyAFZXqXEzOwq4lpTW7DEXw6 tEJe1Caoowegd2+Q6G34qAsGxFSFX5ERLvFuzniU5MyZ6KyUMpf6pkZksCW/Ew== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:1d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4YbWxl47Wyzpck for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2025 11:50:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.5]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 50JBoZWj097492 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2025 11:50:35 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 50JBoZ6D097468 for bugs@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2025 11:50:35 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: www set sender to bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org using -f From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: bugs@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 280941] The reboot command considered harmful Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2025 11:50:34 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Base System X-Bugzilla-Component: bin X-Bugzilla-Version: Unspecified X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Some People X-Bugzilla-Who: bugs.freebsd.org@aljoscha.vollmerhaus.net X-Bugzilla-Status: New X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: bugs@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Bug reports List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-bugs List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D280941 --- Comment #13 from Aljoscha Vollmerhaus --- I believe the issue stems from the way "reboot, the action" is easily confl= ated with "reboot, the command". When users are told to "reboot," it=E2=80=99s n= atural to assume that the simplest and most direct way to do so is by running reboot. For example, even freebsd-update instructs users: "[...] Please reboot and run freebsd-update again [...]". It=E2=80=99s reasonable to assume that many users will instinctively type r= eboot in response - I certainly did. And why wouldn=E2=80=99t they? At no point is there any indication that "re= boot" is not intended for normal reboots. Casual use of the term "reboot", even in offic= ial tools, reinforces the assumption that the reboot command is the correct and expected way to do so. So while official tools could certainly use "shutdown -r now" instead of "reboot", I strongly believe that "reboot" is so deeply ingrained in the vocabulary of both IT professionals - including FreeBSD devs it seems - and everyday users, that trying to educate every potential FreeBSD user about t= his distinction would be an uphill battle. Regardless of prior experience with Linux or whatever else. --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.=