From owner-freebsd-geom@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 8 12:23:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-geom@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC161065670 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 12:23:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gcubfg-freebsd-geom@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7473E8FC1B for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 12:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzqlR-0002GW-KC for freebsd-geom@freebsd.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:23:17 +0200 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:23:17 +0200 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:23:17 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-geom@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:23:17 +0200 Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <55861270658151@web135.yandex.ru> <4BBD68DB.7050600@yandex.ru> <201004080727.21020.bruce@cran.org.uk> <4BBD7CDC.2070505@yandex.ru> <20100408103809.13496s9i6ny03ocg@webmail.leidinger.net> <867hoi8gbl.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20100408121500.13995d1eu7b9bt0k@webmail.leidinger.net> <86fx36up9e.fsf@ds4.des.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100329 Thunderbird/3.0.3 In-Reply-To: <86fx36up9e.fsf@ds4.des.no> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC] Rewriting sade(8) X-BeenThere: freebsd-geom@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GEOM-specific discussions and implementations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 12:23:24 -0000 On 04/08/10 14:01, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Alexander Leidinger writes: >> I think this is more complicated than to refactor the interesting part >> into a backend with an API which both tools can use. This would also >> allow someone to write a GUI program (e.g. for PC-BSD). > > There have been at least three or four attempts to do this in the past. > One of them was even fully funded by the FreeBSD Foundation. They all > failed. Since I was involved in one of them (not the Foundation-funded one, though; who got that? I don't remember seeing an announcement), I'll attempt to share some of my experiences. One experience is that, unless both components (the backend and the front-end) are done, nobody will use either. The second, that it's apparently a given that the backend must be written in C to be imported into base - this is a large obstacle for doing something that, I think, by definition should be scriptable. Apparently noone was/is interested in a Python backend :( Third, I feel that using a RPC-like network protocol - in my case XML-RPC was/is a good idea but it also received too little comments and interest. Fourth, it's bloody hard doing open-source development unless you have external funding.