From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 17 11:45:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA08803 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 11:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08775 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 11:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id TAA11833; Fri, 17 May 1996 19:21:24 +0100 (BST) To: Nate Williams cc: Taavi Talvik , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Standard Shipping Containers - A Proposal for Distributing FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 May 1996 08:27:01 MDT." <199605171427.IAA27070@rocky.sri.MT.net> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 19:21:23 +0100 Message-ID: <11831.832357283@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nate Williams wrote in message ID <199605171427.IAA27070@rocky.sri.MT.net>: > This is not FreeBSD's fault, but the fault of the Internet as a whole. > In particulr, all of cdrom.com goes off-line 3-4 times/day because > Sprint's router at CIX melts down, and it takes a couple hours for it to > come back up. This is *silly*, and I have placed several trouble > tickets with Sprint with regard to this problem. I understand that > these sorts of problems are common throughout the Internet, which just > isn't capable of withstanding the growth/BW it has seen in the last 12 > months. Just look on http://www.agis.net/ and select the NOC page (sorry, forget the specific URL). It's one of the few things that stand out about AGIS ... they don't hide their problems in an obscure internal ticket database. AGIS have problems with routers and ATM links, MCI have problems as they have overcommitted their available bandwidth and are playing catchup, SPRINT have problems with routers and other stuff, the list goes on and on :-( I will say one thing tho. A lot of MAJOR outages are a result of idiots digging up the streets and breaking fibre bearers and so on (or breaking a gas main, causing a major peering point to be taken down, like recently). So it's not ALL technical incopetence on the part of the ISP's... (and another recent one was flooding in the north east US which took down an OC48 bearer ... can't remember how much was affected, but it was something like 350+ T1's, and that was just the local traffic for the ISP, long distance was down too...) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info