From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mon Jan 4 18:08:28 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0B54DE922 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:08:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x731.google.com (mail-qk1-x731.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::731]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D8kC01wKHz3P9j for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:08:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x731.google.com with SMTP id v126so24150291qkd.11 for ; Mon, 04 Jan 2021 10:08:28 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=k10j6EGuCYDvL38NMnc46wmH2+nnwY9drjtTKzBiJEk=; b=dVoZwJY/solj0CVavzXRmcwIIdhAnOcZKz5/yQuQjOcT/zbP47Ffbcv8MgvCvSQZr8 4sJRiDAuG3KtCJ5qFhfTUv0gZYbtiJsWnU3pkEZnao+Rh962oTr/vLH5gHlzQHtS8EaJ sCk/MJLCNVKGwdBHlVKGnQM6H7zafS9oL4ZWsx/3UpzeSeLkAGVzJdpzmo94KZFx0qmP w7Rpm0laCOrV9PFeW2WMHcE0WTf/fvsWv4h7UKmnepVWhmc2RiZJQXUcvh0WgspzOH9I G8wLA2NyRa/m+4wVmiMM/yb6ASlqzo7nBzKPXrYW4ghhD01EmkY+wXdY6zjwQYMBbxeG cSOQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533K4WPn2Bhg1G0DrM+dJPcHbye0PIVbXKtiRpi7/kmGvLU6HkSk cNVKRfg7oUoCLmr6woaplzjGlgqqAU0zuHahV0lA/Y6HO/yWYw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzhTaXRWs8qSOBlob9cN+ZTdUxEztBbSXIkmvim858GmHqUydwmJcPlziK0h8JN2N+l1iTVo+tUPr1d/IGxbC0= X-Received: by 2002:ae9:ebd5:: with SMTP id b204mr71745866qkg.195.1609783707383; Mon, 04 Jan 2021 10:08:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <94447.1609779520@critter.freebsd.dk> <94622.1609782682@critter.freebsd.dk> In-Reply-To: <94622.1609782682@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Warner Losh Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 11:08:16 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: git non-time-sequential logs To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: Alan Somers , John Kennedy , Current FreeBSD X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4D8kC01wKHz3P9j X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2021 18:08:28 -0000 On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:51 AM Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > -------- > Alan Somers writes: > > > I'll be more frank than phk: it sucks. Git's commit dates are basically > > useless. > > Git is not built as, or to be, version control. > > Git is built to be distrbuted collaboration tool. > > The designed-in version control aspect was always, and only, that > the ranting finish guy *by fiat* had the golden tree. > > The fact that people, like us, dress git up and call it a VCS does > not wash the stripes of the tiger. > > To me, personally, having a distributed collaboration tool has been > much more valuable than any "pure" or "real" VCS ever were. > Yes. Git has never been a true/pure VCS. However, it does offer enough VCS-like features to create a shared distributed versioned tree that's useful to the project. As for date order, we could also add a commit hook that requires the date to be properly set, but that creates friction for developers. Is that friction worth the benefits? I don't think so, but as you say we could also add notes... but since there's no checkout by date feature, I'm not sure what good it would do. Warner