From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 31 19:39:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52EAE16A4E1; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:39:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (66-23-211-162.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.211.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3AB443D46; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:39:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost.corp.yahoo.com (john@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7VJdPKD027984; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:39:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:38:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <950621ad0608310654h78ae0023g346abd108815ae72@mail.gmail.com> <20060831183956.GA43568@elvis.mu.org> <8a0028260608311147n4cd9563hf816d2993edc2f17@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8a0028260608311147n4cd9563hf816d2993edc2f17@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608311538.46509.jhb@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (server.baldwin.cx [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:39:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/1782/Thu Aug 31 12:54:15 2006 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: Paul Saab Subject: Re: The future of NetBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:39:36 -0000 On Thursday 31 August 2006 14:47, Jeff Rollin wrote: > On 31/08/06, Paul Saab wrote: > > > > Jeff Rollin (jeff.rollin@gmail.com) wrote: > > > If Yahoo (to pick the one big vendor I remember making a big thing of > > using > > > a BSD) don't reincorporate their changes, perhaps that's because the > > license > > > allows them not to? > > > > If you think that Yahoo! has not given back to the FreeBSD project, > > then you are sorely mistaken. Let me count the ways that Yahoo! > > has given back. > > > As I said, Yahoo are the one big company I remember being cited as using a > BSD. My point was not that "Yahoo does not give back to the FreeBSD > project," but that the BSD licence *allows* them not to give back in a way > that the GPL does not allow (say) Google not to give back to the Linux > project(s). That's not true. If Google makes an enhancement to Linux that they only distribute internally, they are only required to make the source code available internally. You only have to give your patches to the folks you distribute the resulting binaries to. Thus, if you merely make appliances that manage/produce content and sell the content but not the appliances, you can mix propietary code with the GPL to your heart's content. But really, the economics of open source is actually more complicated than the GPL folks understand. -- John Baldwin