From nobody Tue Apr 30 21:16:29 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-multimedia@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VTY0h6TVqz5Jx4G for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:16:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dev@submerge.ch) Received: from gozo.iway.ch (gozo.iway.ch [IPv6:2001:8e0:40:325::36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VTY0g3v69z4W2x for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:16:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dev@submerge.ch) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dev@submerge.ch designates 2001:8e0:40:325::36 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dev@submerge.ch Received: from gozo.iway.ch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A343402F3 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:16:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Iway-Path: 0 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ACF/14218.18844); Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:16:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from interway.li (sendai-nord.iway.ch [212.25.24.38]) by gozo.iway.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:16:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [145.40.196.39] (account fw@submerge.ch HELO x230.localnet) by sendai-nord.interway.li (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 7.1.0) with ESMTPSA id 262068284 for freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:16:29 +0200 From: Florian Walpen To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Simulating guitar stack Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:16:29 +0200 Message-ID: <5853048.8T7jmnknE8@x230> In-Reply-To: <81967489-dd50-4ace-bdad-88100c7cfc0c@tilda.center> References: <81967489-dd50-4ace-bdad-88100c7cfc0c@tilda.center> List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-multimedia List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:8e0::/32]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.20)[2001:8e0:40:325::36:from,212.25.24.38:received]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[submerge.ch]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8758, ipnet:2001:8e0::/32, country:CH]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VTY0g3v69z4W2x Hi Meka, On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 12:30:14 PM CEST Goran Meki=C4=87 wrote: > Hello, >=20 > For quite a few years I know impulse response exists. Few days ago I > learned that neural audio exists and that > https://github.com/brummer10/Ratatouille.lv2 combines these two > technologies and makes it easy to use. I did experiment some years ago. That didn't include neural amp models back= =20 then, but I just had a listen to some current NAM demos and my verdict is=20 still the same: - Most pedals can be easily reproduced in software. - Nothing in software sounds like a real tube amp (yet). - Speakers can be reproduced well by IR software. Means if you really care about tube amp tone, use a tube amp or at least a= =20 hardware amp modeler that utilizes tubes (I have an old one made by VOX). T= hat=20 said, many people will not hear the difference in a complete mix, and for=20 heavily distorted sounds it's less relevant. I personally don't use software effect pedals. For Speaker simulation I=20 recommend the lsp-plugins IR processor, and I apply some older free IRs fro= m=20 Kalthallen Cabs. > I anyone in FreeBSD community > working/experimenting with these and if yes, how does one generates IR > and neural audio on FreeBSD? If it's still not possible on FreeBSD, does > anyone know what's missing? I would be very much interested in porting > the required libs/apps. Thank you! =46or the reasons above I am not that interested, but I can certainly try t= o=20 help if you get stuck somewhere. There seem to be a variety of tools availa= ble=20 for linux. Maybe just start by porting the Ratatouille plugin and go for mo= del=20 creation later? Cheers =46lorian