From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 13 9: 9:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 817AF37B8A3 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 09:09:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-224-78.s332.tnt3.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.224.78] helo=beefstew) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13O0Jz-0001GX-00; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:09:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c00540$df6025c0$4ee07ad1@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: "Doug Young" Cc: References: <001901c004f8$3628fbf0$0ded7ad1@beefstew> <088701c00514$f4724c30$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> Subject: Re: classic newbie inquiry Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:09:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Meantime I'll Buy the Oreilly Apache book. I have a tendency to buy every book in the universe on a particular subject/project I get into. I'll watch your site for the updates. Try to get the "big picture". Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Young" To: "leegold" ; Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 6:55 AM Subject: Re: classic newbie inquiry > The textbook answer to that is "SCO is a commercial thing, hence there's a > budget for documentation, whereas FreeBSD is open source so users are > expected to fend for themselves". All that aside, SCO documentation is among > the best on the planet .... virtually everything is explained well & the > GUI's sure make things a lot easier than the poking around in the dark > required by CLI. > > From my experience FreeBSD webservers are certainly reliable once you've got > the things running, its the "getting it running" thats another story. If you > can wait a week I'll hopefully have some "step by step" instructions online. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "leegold" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 5:29 PM > Subject: Re: classic newbie inquiry > > > > How the hell am I gonna learn how to set up a web server? just learning > > how to install FreeBSD was relatively difficult. But searching the web > > for basic info on how to set up a web server turned up nothing. I'm > > going to call walnut creek and see if there's reasonably priced support > > and ask all the stupid questions I need to, too. > > > > I feel stupid. If I do one small procedural thing/day towards > > implementing the server that will keep the questions tightly focused - > > I'll try that. it will probably take a long time. I eyed a SCO package > > at the bookstore w/Netscape server - a neat bundle, but I want FBSD and > > Apache. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "leegold" > > To: "Doug Young" > > Cc: > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 2:58 PM > > Subject: Re: classic newbie inquiry > > > > > > > So this it's a major undertaking explaining this? I would imagine so. > > > But it's really where FreeBSD shines as i understand it. It would be > > > glorious, nifty, cool to have a step-by-step explanation of the > > > procedure. When you have the time and feel like demystifying the web > > > server setup. I'll go at it like a big dog. > > > > > > I'd do a fresh FreeBSD install w/out X - that's for sure. I have never > > > downloaded source and compiled to get a port/app. I've always tried to > > > get the binaries. There's alot of stuff that would have to be covered. > > > > > > And now for questions that show my partial ( total ? ) ignorance: > > > > > > What is the purpose of Apache? > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Doug Young" > > > To: "leegold" > > > Cc: > > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 1:13 AM > > > Subject: Re: classic newbie inquiry > > > > > > > > > > Ahhhhhhhhhh yes ..... the dreaded getty & apache strike again > > > !!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > Both those really need a better (as in "more explicit") explanation > > > than > > > > whats > > > > presently available, & are high on the list of stuff for the next > > > version of > > > > Pedantic FreeBSD. The "man ppp" isn't anywhere near as bad as the > > > apache > > > > stuff generally though, thanks to Brian Somers ... he has been > > > extremely > > > > helpful whenever I've > > > > had problems comprehending any user-ppp issues. Basically what I've > > > been > > > > doing > > > > for the dialin setup is creating the ppplogin file, then setting > > > ppplogin as > > > > the login > > > > shell for dialin users, basically as the "Method 1" in man ppp > > > explains. I > > > > HATE that poxridden "vi" monstrosity though, so to make life easier > > > when I > > > > run "vipw" to edit > > > > the master password file, I first set the default editor to "ee" by > > > using > > > > "setenv > > > > EDITOR ee". That doesn't "stick", so it needs to be re-set every > > time > > > you > > > > use > > > > "vipw". > > > > > > > > Avoid the /sysinstall version of mgetty at all costs ... its TOTALLY > > > broken > > > > !!! > > > > As far as I can tell the only possible way to getmgetty working is > > by > > > > compiling from source, and thats another challenge given that the > > info > > > > provided isn't as helpful as it could be ..... my advice for what > > its > > > worth > > > > is to stick with the man ppp / getty / method . > > > > > > > > Now for apache ...... it probably wins the prize for the most poorly > > > > documented application ever. There is virtually no attempt at > > > explanation > > > > anywhere for basic apache setup .... the apache homepage isutterly > > > useless, > > > > likewise the various man ages. Thankfully I've always got it > > running > > > in > > > > basic form (ie without php etc) straight from sysinstall. The main > > > problem > > > > I've struck is with inability to find the pages I've put in the > > proper > > > > location (at least "proper" according to pppd.conf). I now know that > > > was > > > > because of some symbolic links which I inadvertently broke whilst > > > copying > > > > pages into the default location. I haven't messed around with this > > > stuff for > > > > a while, but I recall reading about many others having similar > > > problems as I > > > > did with "page not found" type errors, and invariably the cause was > > > the > > > > broken links. As I recall, the guts of the issue is that the pages > > > aren't > > > > where they are supposed to be according to pppd.conf ..... they are > > > > somewhere weird with (hopefully) a link between where pppd.conf > > thinks > > > they > > > > are & where they REALLY are !!! If you don't know exactly what you > > are > > > on > > > > about when you start replacing the dummy page with your own content > > > you > > > > could easily end up with the same problem, so be VERY careful here > > :) > > > Other > > > > than that its fairly straightforward until you get into linking > > apache > > > with > > > > a database ... the apparent favourite method (PHP) is another > > > contender for > > > > the worst documentation on the planet .... I'm getting infinitely > > > better > > > > results with solutions like CGI / C++ / Java ... at least > > there's > > > a > > > > bunch of decent docs for those. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "leegold" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 10:39 AM > > > > Subject: classic newbie inquiry > > > > > > > > > > > > > could anyone direct me to very basic how-to's on stting up FreeBSD > > > to > > > > > answer the phone and being an internet server. I have never done > > > this I > > > > > admit - and want to learn how. Maybe just put a few html pages on > > it > > > to > > > > > start. > > > > > > > > > > Where do i start?, what links would explain on basic level? > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message