From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 15 10:55:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (unknown [198.79.110.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C9037B401 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:55:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00430; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:54:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.svbug.com) Message-Id: <200101151854.KAA00430@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:54:46 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Subject: OOPS.. (Re: MFC? src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC and sound support) To: keichii@peorth.iteration.net Cc: roman@harmonic.co.il, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010101133411.B51028@peorth.iteration.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From my last post, Your right I was wrong. I did say that... Can't read my own quote. :-) On 1 Jan, Michael C . Wu wrote: > On Mon, Jan 01, 2001 at 12:09:30PM +0200, Roman Shterenzon scribbled: > | On Thu, 28 Dec 2000 opentrax@email.com wrote: > | > On 28 Dec, Gerald Pfeifer wrote: > | > > Having been hit by this today, how about MFCing the following change? > | > > > | > > revision 1.289 > | > > date: 2000/11/14 01:11:13; author: jkh; state: Exp; lines: +4 -1 > | > > In the year 2000, I think it's perfectly reasonable to include audio > | > > support by default in GENERIC. > | > > > | > I can't answer for JKH or others but audio has had a history > | > of problems, especially durning the boot-up probe stage. > | > Problems such that it might lock up the machine under > | > certain conditions. Perhaps this is the reason sound may > | > never make it into GENERIC. > > I do not recall ever having such trouble with newpcm, nor > has newpcm been troublesome for people. If newpcm > does not probe, the boot process continues on. There is no > "probe problem." > > JMJr: Stop spreading baseless, false information like this, please. > Baseless, my eye you pinhead. Our company has been doing sound for over 10 years. I've witnessed this lockup many times. So get off it. :-) > | Yes, I really hope that it doesn't make it into the GENERIC. > | GENERIC kernel should provide fully functional and stable machine without > | bells and whistles. Sound is a luxury. > > "Fully functional" for a desktop implies a working sound card too. > This is one of of those things that does not really matter very much. > A good server admin will recompile and customize his kernel. > And a desktop user probably does not know how to compile a kernel. > Are you telling me that, in your consultancy, you just keep GENERIC? > > There is no need for this bikeshed. Whether pcm is included in GEERIC > or not does not really hurt anybody either way. > Someone suggested that it go into KLM. That's a good suggestion. Jessem. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message