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Date:      Thu, 14 May 2020 15:19:39 -0700
From:      Chris <bsd-lists@BSDforge.com>
To:        "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com>
Cc:        "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>, <hackers@freebsd.org>, Kyle Evans <kevans@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: [HEADSUP] Disallowing read() of a directory fd
Message-ID:  <1a951a29e3ca52c0ebd823f4a4437412@udns.ultimatedns.net>
In-Reply-To: <202005142017.04EKH0aA093503@fire.js.berklix.net>

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On Thu, 14 May 2020 22:17:00 +0200 Julian H=2E Stacey jhs@berklix=2Ecom said

> Kyle Evans wrote:
> > Hi,
> >=20
> > This is a heads up, given that I'm completely flipping our historical
> > behavior- I intend to commit this review in a couple days' time
> > without substantial objection: https://reviews=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/D24596
> >=20
> > With this, FreeBSD 13 will not allow read() of a directory fd, which
> > could have previously returned some data from the underlying
> > filesystem in no particular standardized format=2E
> >=20
> > This is a still-standards-compliant switch from one
> > implementation-defined behavior to another that's already been adopted
> > in various other popular kernels, to include OpenBSD, MacOS, and
> > Linux=2E
Completely different file systems=2E This is a non-reason/excuse to impose
such a change=2E
> >=20
> > Worth noting is that there's not really one largely-compelling reasons
> > to switch this after so many years (unless you find yourself that
> > irate when you accidentally `cat` a directory), but there are some
> > benefits which are briefly discussed in the commentary around the
> > review along with the history of the current behavior=2E
> >=20
> > This change also simplifies filesystem implementations to some extent=2E
> >=20
> > Thanks,
> >=20
> > Kyle Evans
>=20
> There is ZERO need for a spurious change at 2 days notice after 42+ years=
 !
+2!
>=20
> "cat =2E" as been supported since Unix V6 1978 or earlier,=20
> no problem, even occasionaly useful=2E
>=20
> Most FreeBSD users wont have heard of https://reviews=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/D24596
> (& there's only 5 other people's opinions there, apart from proposer,
> & skimming through the impression is far from un-qualified approval=2E
>=20
>=20
> Do not force all FreeBSD users towards gratuitous change for personal
> preference for Linux behaviour=2E  Switch to Linux, Or hack a
> personalised shell on BSD that does what you want when you type
> "cat =2E" If it's later widely popular, use it as proof to re-propose=2E  No
> Rush=2E
This bikeshed is already the correct color=2E Please leave it as is=2E

>=20
> A bigger issue is due notice procedure, & respect to FreeBSD stability of
> code
> & users expectations of predictability=2E
> Unwarned playing about would detract from FreeBSD's business image=2E
Amen to that=2E

>=20
> Cheers
> --
> Julian Stacey, Consultant Systems Engineer, BSD Linux
> http://berklix=2Ecom/jhs/
> http://www=2Eberklix=2Eorg/corona/#masks  Tie 2 handkerchiefs or 1 pillow cas=
e=2E=20
> Jobs & economy hit by Corona to be hit again by Crash Brexit 31st Dec=2E 20=
20

--Chris





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