Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 16:30:35 -0600 From: Scott Long <scottl@freebsd.org> To: Marcel Moolenaar <marcel@xcllnt.net> Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP! KSE needs more attention Message-ID: <40C39B0B.8070102@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20040606221330.GB97091@dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <40C36D31.4010003@freebsd.org> <20040606193510.GA95886@dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net> <40C37F3C.1050602@freebsd.org> <20040606211249.GC96607@dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net> <40C390C4.1000609@freebsd.org> <20040606221330.GB97091@dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net>
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Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 03:46:44PM -0600, Scott Long wrote: > >>>As for alpha, we don't even seem to be able to degrade it to tier 2 >>>without losing face. kris@ has already stopped package builds for it >>>for his own sake. >> >>It's not that there is face to loose on alpha, it's that every time >>I announce that alpha is going to be killed unless issues X, Y, and Z >>are fixed, someone comes along and fixes X, part of Y, and promises >>to fix Z. > > > I don't read anything I haven't read before. People have made promises > before and good intentions notwithstanding, you cannot keep a project > hostage this way. Degrade alpha and only promote it after people have > actually demonstrated that alpha is tier 1 material after all. > > >>At this point, I'm going to advocate that Alpha be dropped from Tier-1 >>status for 5.3 and 5-STABLE and no longer be a blocking item for >>releases. > > > Just *do* it. You've been advocating for way too long. > There are always people with good intentions, and they often want to find some way to help. I appreciate this very much and I don't want to turn them away. We also can't make a snap decision in an afternoon and risk missing people who have better things to do on their weekends/holidays than track FreeBSD mail =-) But yes, Alpha has been languishing for too long. I'll say it in a loud voice now: This is the last call for Alpha. It cannot maintain minimum tier-1 requirements and it will be demoted for 5.3. Unless you currently have access to a representative selection of hardware, the knowledge to track down platform-specific issues, the willingness to handle the current outstanding issues, and the time to do it for the next 18 months, please accept my regrets on it. Again, while I appreciate people who can pick away at some of the lesser issues or want to learn the bigger things, we need a 100% maintenance and development solution. Scott
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