From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 16 03:07:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA08563 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 03:07:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gateway.blueberry.co.uk (gateway.blueberry.co.uk [195.153.48.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA08253 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 03:05:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keith@blueberry.co.uk) Received: from intranet.internal.blueberry.co.uk (intranet.internal.blueberry.co.uk [10.0.0.2]) by gateway.blueberry.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA21651; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:30:51 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from keith@blueberry.co.uk) Received: (from keith@localhost) by intranet.internal.blueberry.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27962; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:32:07 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from keith) Message-ID: <19980616103207.10012@blueberry.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:32:07 +0100 From: Keith Jones To: Jay Nelson Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.6 CD-ROM : Package dependencies up the creek ? References: <19980616095005.64408@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Jay Nelson on Mon, Jun 15, 1998 at 09:43:43PM -0500 Organization: Blueberry New Media Ltd. Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jun 15, 1998 at 09:43:43PM -0500, Jay Nelson wrote: > Okay. When Unix was dreamed up it didn't have a nice pretty interface and everything had to be done by hand using the CLI. If you didn't know everything about the ins and the outs of the OS, well then, you damn well learned, because you weren't spoiled by things like GUIs and packages and install scripts and makefiles or anything more than the basic shell and a few binaries. WAKE UP, THIS IS 1998. PEOPLE DO NOT USE PUNCHCARDS ANYMORE. WE HAVE HOME COMPUTERS NOW. IN FACT, WE'VE HAD THEM FOR SOME TIME. Tell me, if you'd been born at the same time last century would you have disapproved of the use of electricity? I know you may not like it, Jay, but times change. The computer userbase is just a smidgeon larger than it was back in 1980 - FWIW, a long time before anything Unix-like entered the home computer. Unlike twenty years ago, a lot of people who use computers today are _not_ experts. Sure, they haven't contributed anything to this project at this time. (Yet.) It doesn't stop them from having an _opinion_. And it won't stop _you_ from using your box much the same as you always have. Leave the newbies to their GUIs, they'll get curious about what's under the bonnet soon enough. After all, today's newbies are tomorrow's contributors. Keith -- v Keith Jones Systems Manager, Blueberry New Media Ltd. v | Postal Mail: 2/10 Harbour Yard, Chelsea Harbour, LONDON, UK. SW10 0XD | | Telephone: +44 (0)171 351 3313 Fax: +44 (0)171 351 2476 | ^ Email: Keith.Jones@blueberry.co.uk WWW: http://www.blueberry.co.uk/ ^ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message