From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 31 18:55:13 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D42637B401 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:55:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from espresso.q9media.com (espresso.q9media.com [65.39.129.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E7CB43E4A for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:55:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@espresso.q9media.com) Received: by espresso.q9media.com (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 4FA6C9C5D; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:43:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:43:18 -0500 From: Mike Barcroft To: Mark Linimon Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: State of the Union Report (backout request department) Message-ID: <20030131214318.E69408@espresso.q9media.com> References: <200301311926.12431.linimon@lonesome.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200301311926.12431.linimon@lonesome.com>; from linimon@lonesome.com on Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 07:26:12PM -0600 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mark Linimon writes: > (This is just a view from the sidelines; I generally do ports hacking > and not kernel hacking, and thus my views might not carry much > weight, but here goes anyways). > > One of the more interesting features of the FreeBSD development > model seems to me to be the ability for people to request controversial > CVS commits to be backed out pending further technical discussion. > IMHO this seems like a wise (albeit nonintuitive) plan to avoid > meta-discussions about what should and should not have been > committed by whom and reviewed by whom (and so on and so forth). > > But recently (especially since the 5.0 release) the backout request > mechanism seems to have fallen on hard times. Without too much > difficulty, I was able to find 5 separate backout requests in this > year's archive of cvs-all alone which were not quickly honored. > (I'm not counting an ignored request for which the underlying > change was apparently security-related). I'm not sure, but there > may have been others, possibly on freebsd-current. The archives might not be telling the whole story. A lot of times these things get handled behind closed doors, whether private e-mail or developer-only lists. Thankfully though, most conflicts *do* get resolved. :) Best regards, Mike Barcroft To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message