From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 19:58:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E4D106568D for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:58:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f190.google.com (mail-px0-f190.google.com [209.85.216.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F7F28FC15 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:58:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi28 with SMTP id 28so2076738pxi.7 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:58:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=IaH4BlQdK95rpnjJIyZ8Jy+E2U4PQSs4vmin4AGsHVQ=; b=Xn9imiJsOrR2TSbdMA0mk9EC7bPqiou7Xxn/eMR9gSI/pZLubUG2zekmMQMgydqA5j TQ0R432bvWQ3CeCWABmCeLMkjFLqX6gtBty9cc10T4FwT7i9GzFoChtAN8pSavvl1ZmB LpvsWEquufAt29m1WwTllfobFddwfL7r45iN0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=prW8TNi0UjNjV9drXGYeNvL0GTsd2oYEGVfNpYOGGC1//WIPt5iBZFzOqcOm4NdP8L x+DX4B9dC0pfUiTSD8D0NUW3wKEDaXeieN7hJu4ggi1ySs71pTpntg6ffWBTS0pu06bu 1iBkD8+s/EgIFTJ//vQ+BzRvOaX2haRiq5unM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.209.12 with SMTP id h12mr199284wfg.53.1256932729856; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:58:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6201873e0910300904v5767894bkec0e7543e28aa951@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301053s77147e9dlfcd631f3385fa58a@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301211s4c4714f2w433407f458d458fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:58:49 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0910301258x1b996f27s2ecba9eb9f067757@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: Freminlins Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Neal Hogan Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:58:50 -0000 On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Freminlins wrote: > 2009/10/30 Adam Vande More > >> I was part of this and the x11 mailing list during the period in which >> most made the switch to hal. I am fully aware of all the complaining which >> occurred. There was a bug which made the issue difficult. I experienced >> it, the workaround was available nearly immediately and fixed soon after. >> Nearly of the complaints were due to that bug, or misconfiguration just as >> you are experiencing. The bug was basically moused and hal fighting over >> who was polling the mouse while X was running. top is a horrible method of >> measuring memory usage by a process. >> > > But people are STILL having problems, like me last night. These > "misconfigurations", isn't that what HAL is meant to stop people from doing, > by configuring things itself? I tried with no xorg.conf file at all, I tried > all sorts of things, it was very very ugly. Did you actually read what I > wrote, or did you make up your mind that I had misconfigured something? Let > me repeat it - I was given no keyboard or mouse. > Due to misconfiguration... > > > > >> procstat(1) will give you a much better picture, I suggest you challenge >> your assumptions and explore that path. >> >> However since you asked here is the diff. > > > > You have just proved that you didn't read what I wrote. Let me repeat it: > "Show us the output of top from your box with the hal processes". You have > just showed the headings, which doesn't mean a lot. > You're correct, the heading isn't a great method. It is however much more pertinent that the rest of output. Let me try another way. EACH LINE SHOWN IN TOP REPRESENTS THE CUMULATIVE MEMORY FOR THE PROCESS, INCLUDING SHARED MEMORY. IF PROCESS X IS LISTED 10 TIMES USING 10MB, THE TOTAL FOR PROCESS X IS PROBABLY NOT 100MB, AND MAY EVEN BE 10MB TOTAL. YOU CANNOT DETERMINE USEAGE BY TOP!!!!!!!! > > I think you have closed your eyes to the problems that people experience > with hal. That is a pity, because it won't improve anything. > It's me that doesn't read what is written? Please, you've already admitted to not RTFM and demonstrated you either didn't read, or didn't understand what's being said here. Software changes over time, a configuration file from years ago isn't always going to work. That's what manuals, online docs, and the handbook are for. -- Adam Vande More