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Seibert" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD updating experience Message-ID: <20191219132626.0ba40b85@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20191219181547.22a0b942.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20191219181547.22a0b942.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/QN+o5aBW+yiBtJCPUb/_QcU"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47f0hG1qftz3xms X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=DT72jWDL; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::834 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.80 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; IP_SCORE(-2.70)[ip: (-9.37), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.18), asn: 15169(-1.90), country: US(-0.05)]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[250.225.109.174.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.3.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 18:26:40 -0000 --Sig_/QN+o5aBW+yiBtJCPUb/_QcU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 18:15:47 +0100, Polytropon stated: >Please don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, but... really... >if I wanted such an experience, I'd be using "Windows" where >updates will always break something, reliably, it's just about >the surprise of _what_ will stop working... Interesting statement, Polytropon. I have been using FreeBSD since version 5 and MS Windows long before that (stated with DOS). In both cases, I have found both architectures perfectly capable of extreme debauchery. Are you familiar with bug # 237666 . I have known versions of Microsoft that would not install on older PC's that lacked the capabilities that it required; but never to refuse to install on a newer machine. On a perfectly operating 11.x machine, I could not, and apparently not just me either, install an 12.x version of FreeBSD. Problems exist everywhere. It takes personal prejudices to highlight them. Oh, for the record, your are complaining. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/QN+o5aBW+yiBtJCPUb/_QcU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl37wNIACgkQOHMGOIfe xWQ64Qf+PBr5fqaIWp+LBPRADTTrCfqLQ1rjrf8ID12GRHApuJF1ThcDHMnbUa+V /FWyQqHh/ASmJg7wf6hjB7LwR5Bd4Y3+APH8AReOOmrwSK2keWp5tps+u2yuLcl1 aKS+Ldde0svRG+5gVg49WFJYPl4ACukYUrE+9gL+icBI600gIw42fgjRJ9vbVyRl 4/UDSz8sbIiBKmGSjXotMXF9r/+RoziZUrBXTK6KpNKio/8QoOnz4c6h++wWEjwK gd6DnN7Lh9OriCZgSs4OuGwb/73d2whRUJZqUP4pLL+NvqZTN/L0lYyBcOXmV87h QoQTFOnfQFNhbgfOO1mbEXKVqj0qLQ== =5XUP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/QN+o5aBW+yiBtJCPUb/_QcU--