From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Oct 7 13: 6:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from groggy.anc.acsalaska.net (groggy.anc.acsalaska.net [208.151.119.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3361D37B401 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 13:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from abc@localhost) by groggy.anc.acsalaska.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01391; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 20:04:55 GMT (envelope-from groggy@iname.com) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 20:04:55 GMT From: groggy@iname.com Message-Id: <200110072004.UAA01391@groggy.anc.acsalaska.net> X-Authentication-Warning: groggy.anc.acsalaska.net: abc set sender to groggy@iname.com using -f Subject: X-Mailer: Umail v1.9 To: "Mark Hughes" To: "freebsd-questions" To: To: "Bern, Davis" To: "Kerr, Greg" To: "Duke, M.L." To: "Choudhury, Raj" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > the following local filter on my MUA > strips 99% of all my junk mail. and > i think something similar would do > the same for freebsd-questions, > considering, most junk mail > is destined for windows users > and contains specific markers > for "flashiness" such as > "JavaScript" and " " > that people emailing > FBSD.org wouldn't use. > > (to reply to this mail, i had to pick it up, re-mail it > to my ISP, telnet into my ISP, open my mail there, > re-edit the email, and then re-mail it again. > bleargh!) > > and regarding the last point, it is primarily > a user responsibility to filter mail, thinking > along practical lines of rights and freedoms. > since when is it a "server" responsibility??? > > i would strongly suggest that it is a users > right and responsibility to read or delete > their emails as they deem necessary, not > and ISP/server responsibility to do it for him/her. > > why does everyone seem to appear to depend on authority > to protect their rights and freedoms in exchange > for maintaining them and protecting them for themselves? > it should be well established at this time in history that > the protection and maintenance of rights and freedoms is > an individual personal responsibilty, and when we rely on > authority for that purpose - we end up with no rights and > no freedoms, and everything is a big kludge. > > if you don't like junk email, why not delete it yourself (manually > or via personal filter) - and keep things free from authority and kludges? > we should all know that when we ask authority to maintain our > freedoms and rights we end up with no rights and no freedoms. > > (newsworthy inuendos not intended to affect the technical virtues :). > -------------------------------- > #!/usr/bin/egrep -qf >   > 100% [Ll][Ee][Gg][Aa][Ll] > DIPLOMA > F R E E > FREE > GUARANTEED > JavaScript > X-From_: > [Tt]o [Bb]e [Rr]emoved > [Tt]o [Bb]e [Tt]aken [Oo]ff > [Uu]ndisclosed[-.][Rr]ecipients > \$\$\$ > checks? or money orders? > -------------------------------- > > > > freebsd-questions bounces mail back: > > > > > > a) when you connect with a dynamic PPP account > > > and use your local sendmail (instead of the ISP MTA). > > > > > > b) when you are on a private ethernet behind a "ppp -nat" > > > connection and use your machines local sendmail > > > (instead of the gateways MTA). > > > > > > and it's very irritating to say the least. > > > i know it is for SPAM control purposes, > > > but i think there are better ways > > > to control spam without punishing > > > legitimate emails from a) + b) above. > > > > You may think, but from what's been said previously on this list, that > > single filter alone blocks around one spam message every three minutes. I > > think we'd all agree that that is "A Good Thing". > > > > That said, I'm not an admin of the mail server at freebsd.org, and I'm sure > > they would be more qualified to answer as to whether (and why) other > > methods of blocking spam do or do not work. > > > > Mark > > > > that > > > single filter alone blocks around one spam message every three minutes. I > > > think we'd all agree that that is "A Good Thing". > > > > > > > Having sent two complaints to abuse@ today only, I > > can only say, thankyou to the administration for stopping all of the > > others. > > > > Stuart. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message