From owner-cvs-etc Fri Jun 6 22:16:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA00496 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00476; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA10682; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:45:12 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199706070515.OAA10682@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc/mtree BSD.include.dist In-Reply-To: <199706062045.UAA00265@veda.is> from Adam David at "Jun 6, 97 08:45:07 pm" To: adam@veda.is (Adam David) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:45:12 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, dg@root.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, ache@nagual.pp.ru, asami@cs.berkeley.edu, bde@zeta.org.au, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Adam David stands accused of saying: > > Adam David stands accused of saying: > > > > Well, I disagree with you, Jordan. I think we should make the kernel > > > > sources a mandatory part of the system and /usr/include/sys should be a > > > > symlink. > > Please check your attribution better, it belongs further down. > I guess you can blame blind/dumb software. You can blame me trimming bulk out of the message. I think it's fair to read three levels of indentation as "possibly not this individual". > > This is contradicted by my experience and that of numerous other > > posters over the years. Most users don't give a damn whether there > > are extra drivers in their kernel; OTOH they generally get pretty pissed > > if a driver they need _isn't_. > > According to this, most users are wasting precious memory. Er, yes. I would have thought that this was a fairly obvious fact, hardly deserving of comment. > > Don't make me laugh. It _might_ be, if the user/admin is particularly > > paranoid, but believe me when I say that GENERIC is a lot more popular > > than you seem to think. > > It is not a contest, and I think most would agree that both camps are > significant. Significant, yes. However this is effectively a variation on the disagreement I had with PST; those who care can fix it. Those that can't, can't. So, if you care, fix it. If not, or if being able to throw a single kernel at dozens of different sites without having to rummage through your archives to find their superoptimised 10k-smaller kernel config, then GENERIC wins. > Adam David -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[