From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 2 11:26:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC7114C40 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 11:26:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.197.55]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA134; Sun, 2 May 1999 20:26:20 +0200 Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org (abaddon@daemon [192.168.0.1]) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00588; Sun, 2 May 1999 20:27:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 20:27:07 +0200 (CEST) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Rahul Siddharthan Subject: RE: Some thoughts on advocacy (was: Slashdot ftp.cdrom.com upgra Cc: Kris Kennaway , advocacy@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 02-May-99 Rahul Siddharthan wrote: >> But fair is fair, both advocates tend to border on the brink of >> zealotry, >> but isn't that always the point in advocacy? Advocacy always assumes one >> product is better in a certain aspect than the other product... > > Fine when you're talking about the product. My point was: > try to boost your product without putting down the other. (Linux > advocates have the same problem in pushing linux over windows: if > you badmouth windows, the typical happy windows user won't > listen. Though the *unhappy* one probably will. Keep in mind that > there are very few unhappy linux users, so the FreeBSD problem is > much more difficult.) Correct, but there's a couple of drawbacks on every advocacy solution... As far as we have been able to discern FreeBSD currently doesn't want to get the majority of the Linux users simply because of the support issues. Sure we are reponsive and carry one of the best mailinglists around, but there are multitudes of people using Linux who seem to think that using an OS doesn't require thinking... Call it elitism, I find it merely a good seperation of attitudes... Linux is more suited for beginning Unix users, but FreeBSD qualifies for it as well... *shrug* Is one of them both even worse than the other? They both kick a dozen other OS's arses... > But to push this "my product is better than yours" thing to the > licensing is surely going a bit too far... Is it? The GNU site would like us to think otherwise, they criticize the BSD License on a few points in order to make the reader prefer the GPL... Licenses are akin to products... Really... > Historical note: the GPL was created by one Richard Stallman, who > believes that any restrictions on software modification/redistribution > is unethical. Stallman is a twit... 'nough said... Fact proven time and again... Restrictions on software are a companies right... We all know that it works otherwise with Open Source, even better for a large number of projects... Some things just need to be proprietary in order to maintain vendor/market share... --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The FreeBSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist *BSD: Powered by Knowledge & Know-how To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message