From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 10 12:42:21 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE7DC07F86 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:42:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm32-vm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm32-vm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC184CEE for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:42:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1476103202; bh=uJ1Vp2BOcwK8zHZPUYdK0gcZHCcsn3QQ3Bj/ZYSvkyQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=E8W+F7/ntjtyu37ZgKNzBpflvlV/1tZFdUAZ23jJET3uqFve42iTRXYaSCKRPkxSCG0su8mBYiff/NZAW5CUzv/KZbEye4Sv/Cuh8wjPwtsWtNOouOxZl2L0DeQM7ql1wZK0FL1MuG96MZgODlazHdzAdDvUPjgxavf7UHGvIgagOq99CY3VILMDgIN86wsat5jVqch31g8lbD40jGBgTbmZQu4JtvxBY0Fvc9CVrop/fnXRtwIY43BKxZ220FQxHTqFBL8uw71Q5+1E2U3obZK9E+CWltI5QwAaYpsaKxbbuCYoXjFKCuE7l3IpJh/jP8KoQ6cejxXV1jaiVZwHHw== Received: from [212.82.98.56] by nm32.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2016 12:40:02 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.88] by tm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2016 12:40:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp125.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2016 12:40:01 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 992034.3093.bm@smtp125.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: NRT2.oAVM1nkgFQLjKw7DL4Ja0J8fduxCw8Pn__3R1mBokg hpHkco22fD5K5kgbR4nbQWQnl_ZT1PgdnT4I9FxOmd_vLx9NFFtzYJ61nzAp 79rNwwZPlc2aOMAfaSvt6ON0C0QhqeexJfstcYiN9d921YeML9FX6K9FdcOr .W1VLjcBxL7pw84Zp3ExEA0ywRXrTOfh7plSGe8W7kkClCNL0meKyucDBaH3 rnD84R65eR5gXxVAD_.pD1TpmsfegKrH5VTJ3cBU4A5wk45Vsv_y6gxw1H5. rxRzwJSGAllkCFfvhfmK2I6YTkf7JE3C5yNJV4wtIOtIOEdzjdCUJUezC_3D hR4BhBsfP_huiXwaJ_Lfpv4ckXjo9HIpAZt6wJUIgLPUzjxW8LQj.fEDd8iX S2JQ4JcXbU6BuuJk..wm2aVxt21MXmAAnbJs7EY1ycf5qmp0jPV1YIgzM2rj ahDLyzdwvBhR6b57jIe_dyrsUEc8ZfTmi1LqdIDkQcf71YOYJNFp5gwFEmD5 QXjOibIXCfWHqk7PtZ7szCzvynb5dIPgjPs09t2_FAMGf_TdtpCJd3Ss- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 14:40:00 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't reply to spam - Was: Freebsd Project Drug Awareness Message-ID: <20161010144000.28c74080@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <0929c9b9-3021-094a-022c-fcf18d1cb64e@googlemail.com> References: <0929c9b9-3021-094a-022c-fcf18d1cb64e@googlemail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b739 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:42:22 -0000 On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:37:40 +0100, Dave B via freebsd-questions wrote: >Trouble with the way this list is set-up, the default "reply to" >address goes straight to the list. > >Therefore, any mail sent to the list, on any subject, will get piped >right through to the spammers, as well as the rest of us. > >You dont need to reply "to the spammers", they get a response >automatically, even this one. > >The best defence is to stay silent, or if you do reply/post to the >list, *Trim* the message to eliminate as much non relevant stuff >(especially embedded links) as you can. So there seems to be the need to explain it. If valid subscribers of a mailing list continue a thread started by a spammer, it becomes difficult to distinguish between wanted mail and unwanted mail from the mailing list. I flag all unwanted mail from a mailing list that reaches me as junk, so usually only the wanted mails from a list reach me and usually there are no false positives. IOW usually I don't get annoyed by the spam that comes through a mailing list and usually I'm not missing wanted mail. This kind of filtering becomes harder to do, if the spam is mixed with replies from regular subscribers. There are other reasons to not reply to spam, by continuing the thread, too. However, since there were complains about a high amount of spam... Spam: Freebsd Project Drug Awareness Rebecca Preston 1 Freebsd Project Drug Awareness Alejandro Imass 2 Freebsd Project Drug Awareness Stephen Cook 3 Freebsd Project Drug Awareness Steve O'Hara-Smith 4 Freebsd Project Drug Awareness Brandon Wandersee 5 Freebsd Project Drug Awareness Michael Sierchio=20 6 Freebsd Project Drug Awareness Ian Smith 7 Freebsd Project Drug Awareness Steve O'Hara-Smith=20 8 Freebsd Project Drug Awareness Bertram Scharpf New thread:=20 9 Please don't reply to spam - Was: Freebsd Project Drug Awareness Ralf Mardorf 10 Please don't reply to spam - Was: Freebsd Project Drug Awareness Bertram Scharpf 11 Please don't reply to spam - Was: Freebsd Project Drug Awareness Dave B 12 The mail I'm writing now. https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2016-October/thread.h= tml ...note, in the first place I replied off-list. 1 spam cause 12 unneeded mails, most inform us about which subscribers have teenager knowledge about Timothy Leary, Albert Hofmann and that they know how fans of Jerry Garc=C3=ADa and Band are called. Apart from this spam filtering got broken, at least by some MUAs using bogofilter, while bogofilter works perfect before the replies. Regards, Ralf