From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 2 19:41:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D9237B5CC for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:41:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-223-10.s10.tnt3.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.223.10] helo=beefstew) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13KAws-0007Ua-00; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:41:30 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01bffcf4$659d9870$0adf7ad1@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: "Doug Young" Cc: References: <06a801bffc9d$73c1a9c0$1600010a@pmr.com> <016801bffcbb$68385770$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> <002b01bffce2$f414de40$0adf7ad1@beefstew> <025001bffcf1$e03e4b40$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> Subject: Re: new books, changing my pt. of view Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:41:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Are you sure you want a "Union". How about a consortium? What's a consortium? What shape should the tables be? I say semi-circular. I also want to be the treasurer - there's this nice ABIT dual celeron mobo I've been hankering for - we need this for research. I also want a wet bar. ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Young To: leegold Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 10:23 PM Subject: Re: new books, changing my pt. of view > > I had to use instructions from five web sites and piece it together when I > > attempted my first install some months ago plus fill in the blanks from > the > > mail and newsgroups. > > Seems thats the way things are done in open source circles .... maybe if > enough > of us newbie types made a lot more noise someone might listen. Hey you've > just > given me an idea .... what say we form a "FreeBSD Newbie Union" to press the > "powers that be" for better working conditions ?? > > This has been the pattern for learning how to do most > > things. In a mission critical situation ( and of course I can only tread > > water re FreeBSD at this point ) I would say use the brilliantly > documented > > stuff all things being equal. > > I come across a heap of associates in general business consulting circles > who are, like me, quite impressed with the way FreeBSD systems just running > with nary an illegal act / fatal exception / GPF / BSOD / etc, but as soon > as some unfamiliar application is required the typical difficulty in > figuring it out plus the time pressures involved in most businesses tends to > force a move to some other O/S, usually a product of our comrades from > Redmond. Thankfully I've got a fairly loyal & open-minded mob of clients who > manage to muddle by for whatever time it takes me to sort some solution out > in FreeBSD, but not everyone has this luxury. > > > > I have found - and I feel "funny" saying this, but, many ( SOME ) > brilliant > > Unix admins. - they are....individualists. Some are hard for me to deal > > with. Even the ones in official teaching positions sometimes are > eccentric. > > But I unabashedly pick their brains if I can. > > I think eccentricity is part of geekship, and even more so in academia. We > can probably live with that as long as the aforesaid eccentric ones refrain > from writing stuff in whatever weird language they learned on their home > planet and stuck to "proper" english (like what regular folk use). Better > still, the "FreeBSD Newbies Union" should insist that ALL documentation be > prepared by one of their members. > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message