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Date:      Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:07:49 +1100
From:      Peter Jeremy <peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au>
To:        alpha@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd)
Message-ID:  <20021106200749.GJ6446@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au>
In-Reply-To: <3DC9022E.6535EBBF@mindspring.com>
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On 2002-Nov-06 03:51:10 -0800, Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Wilko Bulte wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 12:09:34AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote:
>> > On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 12:20:53AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote:
>> > > Yet... my DEC labelled Alpha box has a floppy drive, but doesn't
>> > > have a CDROM drive, unless I hook my own to the SCSI connector...
>> >
>> > When was the last time you booted that box?  When was the last time you
>> > installed FreeBSD on that box?
>> 
>> Lemme guess... Multia?
>
>Yes, Multia.
>
>I guess the answer to this problem can be the same as the answer to
>several other recent problems, and you can declare the hardware
>unsupported... not my first choice, of course.

I'd also be disappointed if the Multia was de-supported.  I'll agree
with Terry that the Multia forms a convenient, low-cost solution for
developers who want to keep a toe in the Alpha camp without needing to
shell out lots of money.  (And if developers were forced to test on
something like a Multia, they might develop a greater appreciation for
efficient code :-).

Given that "netboot it" has been a common suggestion for installing
FreeBSD on CDROM-less Alphas, it's probably worth mentioning that the
FreeBSD netboot is incompatible at least with Multia SRM 3.8.3 (the
last).  The problem is that netboot's definition of `broken_firmware'
in /usr/src/sys/boot/alpha/libalpha/srmnet.c does not cover the Multia
(at least with SRM 3.8.3).  This SRM is broken enough to need the MAC
address explicitly included in netbbinfo, but call to prom_read() in
prom_get() _does_ need to specify the receiving structure size (ie the
broken_firmware test is not needed).

I thought I'd written a PR about this in late 1999 but can't find it
and there's been no change to srmnet.c.  I'll submit a new PR later
today.

Peter

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